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Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:28 am  
Adeybull is a bit pompous and self-aggrandising.

mystic eddie only seems to show up when things go bad just to say "I told you so".

There, done.

Stop bickering like children, no-one cares.
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Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:32 am  
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Adeybull is a bit pompous and self-aggrandising.

mystic eddie only seems to show up when things go bad just to say "I told you so".

There, done.

Stop bickering like children, no-one cares.


In fairness, I would have needed to warn you beforehand what was going to happen before I could come on to say that "I told you so." :wink:

Apart from that, spot on. :D
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Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:40 am  
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Right. These are questions I want clear YES/NO answers to:

1 - Was the admistration primarily intended as a means of removing Khan from the picture?

Khan was already out of the picture. BB2014 failed to take over, which would have removed Khan and Marc Green put the business into administration to protect his debenture.


2 - Did the RFL work closely with and provide advice to Moore & Co, regarding bringing this about?

Bringing what about? Whitcut was Khan's bag man & was working for him in all he did.


3 - Did the RFL work closely with Moore & Co, or at least did they provide active and constructive advice, regarding entering administration?

BB2014 was anew company set up to possibly take over from OK Bulls. Why would the RFL advise a new co on administration?


4 - Were the RFL involved in any way in the setting up of the (ultimately aborted) prepack?

When did this happen?


5 - Did the RFL provide advice, input, guidance or indications of likely outcomes to Moore & Co, which they relied on in setting up the prepack?

Who was the administrator for this prepack that didn't happen?


6 - Did the RFL tell Moore & Co - or at least did they leave them with a clear understanding - that there would be no points deduction for entering administration and immediately exiting through a prepack?

An act of insolvency incurs a penalty under RFL operational rules. BB2014 was incorporated on 12/11/2014. Why would this be set up if there was aprepack plan?


7 - Did the RFL see or request business plans and/or financial projections from Moore & Co prior to administration?

BB2014 submitted a business plan & forecast to the RFL wit the intent of taking over from OK Bulls


8 - Did Moore & Co propose and intend to repay all the non-Khan creditors, and if so is there demonstrable proof that this was intent not just words?

This will have been part of the BB2014 business plan & forecast.


9 - Did the RFL give Moore & Co full opportunity to present and discuss their business plans, before ruling on the points deduction and the (debilitating) ongoing special measures?

Green placed OK Bulls into admin on 31st January & points were deducted on 25th February


10 - Had the club new players lined up ready to join, whose signings were stymied by the continuing special measures?

When did these special measures begin?


11 - Were Moore & Co given any prior indication that special measures could or would continue after the administration?

The administration that they weren't involved in? Or one that seems to be a ffigment of your imagination?


12 - Did the RFL impose a 6 point penalty not a 4 point penaly because they had determined that NO creditors would actiually be repaid?

Administartors statement of affairs clearly states there's nothing to distribute to creditors, so 6 points deducted.


Maybe we will get answers in the formal report. I rather doubt it,though. Others may be content to let the matter lie and "move on". Not me. I will not be content until I know the answers to the above questions.

Perhaps you need to focus on who is actually at fault, i.e the previous owners of BB Holdings & OK Bulls?


I suspect there are people who know where the bodies are buried, who hitherto have largely kept their own counsel. I would very much invite and urge any such people to now put in the public domain any (further) information that might cast light on anything that has gone on.

Ryan Whitcut has already made several unsubstantiated claims. mark Moore did the same. Perhaps you need to ask them what their actual intent was & how they proposed to finance their plans?


I suggest that, only when we know the answers to these questions (and doubtless some others that I have not included) will ANYONE be in any position to judge whether the destruction of the Bulls over recent months has been justified, unavoidable, inevitable, accidental, criminal, or just plain reprehensible?

The destruction of the Bulls in recent months? Who are you suggesting destroyed them, and through what actions?


And who is actually to blame for the destruction, so they can be judged by history accordingly.

Honestly, you really need to get a grip.


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Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:48 am  
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So is there still a conspiracy to relegate Wakefield?


I imagine they still think there is, yes.

In fact, they won't like the fact that they are not being hard done to, they will have to find something else to be paranoid about.
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Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:49 am  
LeagueDweeb wrote:
Rhetoric waffle.

Do you have family or friends? Because you don't exactly come across as even remotely possible to talk to.

"What do you want for tea, Dweeb?"
Why? Who said anything about having food in the house? Can you even prove you can cook?

"Pint, Dweeb?"
You must be more specific, there are dozens of pint glasses behind the bar, which one are you talking about?

Adeybull's questions weren't even directed at you, so why take the effort to not not not answer them?
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Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:52 am  
i see even now, LeagueDweeb is trying to bluff his way through. I liked him better when he was 'hacked'.
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Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:54 am  
The problem with all that pointless waffle you've just put up there dweeb, is that you haven't answered any of the questions.

That level of evasion, or answering a question with a question, is the sort of bollox that politicians try when they're talking to Paxman.

If the answer to any of those questions was No - you should just say so.
The fact that you can't/won't say no, is evasion. Which is standard politician fare when they either 1) don't know or 2) know the answer is yes, but are confident that there won't be any evidence of wrongdoing so can brazen it out.
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Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:56 am  
hindle xiii wrote:
Adeybull is a bit pompous and self-aggrandising.

mystic eddie only seems to show up when things go bad just to say "I told you so".

There, done.

Stop bickering like children, no-one cares.


Adeybull needs to realise the Bulls are in a mess because of the previous two sets of owners. His fixation with blaiming the RFL is Roswell like in it's level of conspiracy.


The Bulls have just under half a season to turn things round. Everyone at the club now knows where hey stand on points. There is no more uncertainty. Green has said he's not going to run for the hills.

Isn't it time to focus minds on beating Salford & picking up as many wins as possible to close the gap on Wakefield? They face London next, which should secure them two more league poijts. The Bulls face London in the final game of the season, which should secure them two points.

Beating a struggling Salford side is totally feasible, effectively meaning a 4 point gap given the predicted London results.

Is that really too much to overcome in a 10 period when facing several teams that are currently outside the top 8?
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Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:01 am  
Dont forget guy,s wakey have tried their best to help you by giving you four points, all the best for the rest of the season.
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Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:03 am  
hindle xiii wrote:
Do you have family or friends? Because you don't exactly come across as even remotely possible to talk to.

"What do you want for tea, Dweeb?"
Why? Who said anything about having food in the house? Can you even prove you can cook?

"Pint, Dweeb?"
You must be more specific, there are dozens of pint glasses behind the bar, which one are you talking about?

Adeybull's questions weren't even directed at you, so why take the effort to not not not answer them?


You don't seem to be picking up on the fact that Adeybull's questions are based on a pre determined conspiracy theory.

Anyone can frame questions to try and substantiate a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theorists never move on because they are unable to accept reality.

Who is supposed to answer these questions? Who are they aimed at? Why doesn't he get in touch with those he seems to think are responsible for answers?

Honestly, it really is laughable.
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