Re: Fans Forum / Financial plight : Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:22 pm  

As by misfortune someone rashly quoted your nasty bilge,

gutterfax wrote:

1. YOU HAD YOUR HANDS OUT BEGGING FROM FANS

Yes. The fans gave, and as a result, whatever else happened, we still have a SL club, which we wouldn't otherwise have had. But WTF does that have to do with the Sky distribution?

gutterfax wrote:

2. YOU HAD DIRECT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FROM THE RFL

If you mean "The RFL gave us money" then of course, no they didn't.

gutterfax wrote:

3. YOUR OWNERS AGREED TO THE REDUCED SKY CASH

Yes, 50%, but only in the same sense as a Chicago offer they couldn't refuse.

gutterfax wrote:

....and now you whine about how that Sky cash was spent/distributed

Yes. As it was never agreed by us that it would be divvied up amongst the other clubs. We agreed to accept less money. We did not agree to make big cash donation to every other SL team - they did that all by themselves.

gutterfax wrote:

I am

You are, I entirely agree. Credit to your screen and keyboard for saliva-resistancy though.

Re: Fans Forum 4th Dec : Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:07 pm  

M@islebugs wrote:

I take Moore's point but OK didn't start with zero, he started with a responsibility to put a SL team on the park for people to watch with no sponsorship, no lease on the ground, 50% Sky money and an understanding that even with full Sky money the previous board were losing 100k a month. That's a little bit different. Actually he started with a massive minus.

On the budgets I haven't seen them but have you ever met a new board who came out said the business they are taking over was well run? I haven't and Gerry Sutcliffe said the exact same thing in his office just after the take over.

My point is hold off on the rush to condemn OK. You know I think the actions of the Hood/RFL in the year before admin made matters much worse than necessary and I think both Guilfoyle and Sadler said different groups pulled out when they saw the books.

In short, OK is a restauranteur without any grounding in RL who didn't have to elbow anyone out of the way to buy a basket case. It looks like he failed and but the idea he and Sutcliffe left a situ worse than they found it sounds nonsense.

Totally agree with this post. We started out with minus NOTHING. Not many staff, Omar brought his own staff in to cover the shortfall in the catering side. Plus the people who knew how to manage the Stadium in total were no longer there. It was hard work for all concerned and perhaps we don't know the full story. The lack of revenue from the seven weeks without a game only made the situation much worse. The only revenue at that time appeared to be the Coral Stand - which held functions. It is always easy to be wise after the event.

Re: Fans Forum / Financial plight : Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:13 pm  

Basically, if the club was a dog it would be going to see James Herriot.

Re: Fans Forum / Financial plight : Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:38 pm  

Just wonder regarding the Sky money,if the one was sacrificed for the benefit of the struggling few.I would have thought that to safeguard the integrity of the RL family,that the Bulls Sky monies should be retained to pay off their creditors.This way,there would be security for new investment rather than edging the Club closer to extinction.Obviously not a penalty against the Bulls,but on the other hand,not a leg up to others at our expense in challenging times.

[Bulliac]

Re: Fans Forum / Financial plight : Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:54 am  

PHILISAN wrote:

Just wonder regarding the Sky money,if the one was sacrificed for the benefit of the struggling few.I would have thought that to safeguard the integrity of the RL family,that the Bulls Sky monies should be retained to pay off their creditors.This way,there would be security for new investment rather than edging the Club closer to extinction.Obviously not a penalty against the Bulls,but on the other hand,not a leg up to others at our expense in challenging times.

Indeed. If they'd gone down that route I don't think many would have argued against it. However..

Re: Fans Forum / Financial plight : Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:38 pm  

I went to an event at in the coral stand last year - an under elevens tournament was being played. I think twelve teams each wth between 12 and 20 players had matches. So probably between 250 and 300 adults watching. It should have been money rolling into the club but they only had one person working on the bar. It took 20 minutes to yet served, they had no cold soft drinks and the gas for the beer ran out on all but one pump; they also had no crisps or other snacks available to buy. The situation was made more farcical when anotherbmember of the staff helped out but as she was strich muslim would only serve coffee. Many gave up on trying to get served.

Similar events at headingley always have fully stocked bars and at least three staff available to work the bar.

Re: Fans Forum / Financial plight : Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:12 pm  

russianboris wrote:

I went to an event at in the coral stand last year - an under elevens tournament was being played. I think twelve teams each wth between 12 and 20 players had matches. So probably between 250 and 300 adults watching. It should have been money rolling into the club but they only had one person working on the bar. It took 20 minutes to yet served, they had no cold soft drinks and the gas for the beer ran out on all but one pump; they also had no crisps or other snacks available to buy. The situation was made more farcical when anotherbmember of the staff helped out but as she was strich muslim would only serve coffee. Many gave up on trying to get served.

Similar events at headingley always have fully stocked bars and at least three staff available to work the bar.

And there was wondering why Mr Whitcut had a string of failed pubs behind him

Re: Fans Forum / Financial plight : Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:24 pm  

Latest is that Mr.Khan isn't taking action against the club, but against Ryan Whitcut and Mark Moore... http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... gal_fight/

Latest is that Mr.Khan isn't taking action against the club, but against Ryan Whitcut and Mark Moore... http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... gal_fight/

Re: Fans Forum / Financial plight : Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:36 pm  

According to the League Express Luke Gale will be sold to Hull FC. Jarrod Sammut potentially next on the list.

Entire first team squad being told to take a 10% pay cut to reduce the wage bill.

Re: Fans Forum / Financial plight : Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:44 am  

LiamA93 wrote:

Latest is that Mr.Khan isn't taking action against the club, but against Ryan Whitcut and Mark Moore...

Post Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:18 am
Ferocious Aardvark

Ross Heppenstall @rosshtanda
Just spoken to Omar's representatives, who stressed he is NOT taking legal action against the Bulls but two individuals M Moore & R Whitcut

Do keep up