Re: Super 8's Game 2: Wakefield Away : Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:22 pm  

Well how is it that the Bulls Fans are blaming the fact that we have been playing Championship Football all season. Its only a factor for us because the Club has been lazy and the players unprofessional. The management and coach are directly to blame for that. The heroes of the championship are Halifax at the moment. They have actually done us a big favour. We rather blindly perhaps have been focusing on the so called troubled teams but Halifax have shown that a determined team with a bit more class can beat the other two big guns....

Re: Super 8's Game 2: Wakefield Away : Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:37 pm  

miketaurus wrote:

Well how is it that the Bulls Fans are blaming the fact that we have been playing Championship Football all season. Its only a factor for us because the Club has been lazy and the players unprofessional. The management and coach are directly to blame for that. The heroes of the championship are Halifax at the moment. They have actually done us a big favour. We rather blindly perhaps have been focusing on the so called troubled teams but Halifax have shown that a determined team with a bit more class can beat the other two big guns....

Halifax haven't won a game yet. Plucky losers are still losers.

Bradford's problem is Gaskell. We don't have a plan B if he's out of the team, mainly because we don't have any leaders out on the field. Back in the glory days, we had guys like Lowes, Peacock and Robbie and others all out on the field. They led by example and if one was off, the others would step up and take the team to task. Who have we got out there who you can say could lead the team? Someone who, when the chips are down can stand up and get the team over the line?
Danny Addy and Harry Siejka should both have their hat in the ring to lead the team, yet neither do. Addy just doesn't have the confidence in his own ability to make the step up and Siejka...well, Lowes keeps saying "He's playing his role" though what that role is, I don't think anyone actually knows and I'm not sure "Spare Prick At A Wedding" is actually a recognised role for a rugby player

Re: Super 8's Game 2: Wakefield Away : Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:18 pm  

roofaldo2 wrote:

Halifax haven't won a game yet. Plucky losers are still losers.

Bradford's problem is Gaskell. We don't have a plan B if he's out of the team, mainly because we don't have any leaders out on the field. Back in the glory days, we had guys like Lowes, Peacock and Robbie and others all out on the field. They led by example and if one was off, the others would step up and take the team to task. Who have we got out there who you can say could lead the team? Someone who, when the chips are down can stand up and get the team over the line?
Danny Addy and Harry Siejka should both have their hat in the ring to lead the team, yet neither do. Addy just doesn't have the confidence in his own ability to make the step up and Siejka...well, Lowes keeps saying "He's playing his role" though what that role is, I don't think anyone actually knows and I'm not sure "Spare Prick At A Wedding" is actually a recognised role for a rugby player

True in the context you mention, but they are going home with dignity and a bit of pride.

Yes again ... who? ... What? yes I get it ... JL, who I really want to believe in does not communicate anything, so all we can judge on is the games. Poor all season. He said about the last game, that the players have not been doing what he said to do. Effective Communication. We as supporters might not be as far of right as JL may well be wrong. Focus,Passion, Desire and absolute determination is missing.

Re: Super 8's Game 2: Wakefield Away : Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:23 pm  

redeverready wrote:

That's the point I made yesterday but was told I was wrong and were just infact turd.

That's just it - we are a long way from turd. I genuinely believe that in the right frame of mind a confident Bulls can compete with Wakey and Salford. And it wasn't losing I was bothered about - it was how we played. If we had lost but played a decent game I would be cool

Re: Super 8's Game 2: Wakefield Away : Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:31 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

Salford 46 Leigh 18 [despite Paul Cullen's assessment that "Leigh are the best team in the champ by far"]seems to suggest that there is a little more in play here than just Lowes [and presumably, Rowley] being poor coaches.

The context of both our defeats is the fact we play in a league which, in general, is way below our actual standard, let alone our potential standard and prevents us playing, week by week, under the sort of pressure which we need to allow us to compete at the higher level.

Wouldn't this premise require us to have cruised through the fixtures easily, thereby leaving us unprepared for playing teams of a higher standard? In fact, we've struggled to beat teams like Batley and Dewsbury, haven't been able to beat Leigh and were borderline outclassed by Fev, who didn't make the top 4. The league wasn't way below our actual standard.

Re: Super 8's Game 2: Wakefield Away : Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:00 pm  

Absolutely we are clearly not good enough so why the pretence we have a God given right to SL. Carry on with the progress made this season off the field and carry on building

Re: Super 8's Game 2: Wakefield Away : Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:28 pm  

herr rigsby wrote:

Absolutely we are clearly not good enough so why the pretence we have a God given right to SL. Carry on with the progress made this season off the field and carry on building

The trouble is a lot of the off the field work is built on the massive vote of confidence the fans have shown in the regime, namely continuing to support the club like they're still operating at Super League level. Can that be repeated in year two? Highly doubtful.

If we are to build successfully on the field we need to sack the site foreman because the work the brickies have been turning out this year on his watch would be condemned for demolition.

Has anyone got any faith in Lowes doing any better next season? In my opinion, barring a miracle in the next few weeks, he has to go. He's simply not up to it.

Re: Super 8's Game 2: Wakefield Away : Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:33 pm  

Part of the problem for next year is that we will be paying out wages to a lot of players that seem to have been discarded by the coach and they have the security of a 2 year contract. We can't really complain about a low salary cap whilst we seem to have squandered large chunks of it.

[Bullseye]

Re: Super 8's Game 2: Wakefield Away : Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:12 pm  

The opening 30mins yesterday showed we've become too used to playing at a championship level of intensity.

I'm not sure why but we were far too tentative and our line speed was pathetic and we allowed far too much space around the ruck and for Smith.

Were the players nervous or lacking in confidence? If not then why the collective failure? The buck really does stop with the coach sometimes to judge the atmosphere in the dressing room and do something about it if necessary.

We played yesterday like many games this season where we underperformed but scraped a win. There's no way you can get away with that in the 8s.

It's hard enough when you lose key players like Gaskell, Pitts and Mullaney without the rest playing like individuals.

We probably blew it yesterday. Some players who look good at championship level were shown up. Others fell short of their usual levels.

Thankfully we've a chance to make amends on Sunday. I don't expect to win but I expect a better performance.

Re: Super 8's Game 2: Wakefield Away : Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:39 am  

I disagree about "intensity". I didn't think it was a particularly intense game at all. I am sure the team as it ran onto the field was, psychologically, not ready and looked as if they really didn't want to be there. The frame of mind they were in, they were beat before they came on the field. Why that is, would be the question, but I'm sure of it.