Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:30 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

Lesson 3 - don't make a fool of yourself with statements that do not stand up to scrutiny.

Re lesson 3:

1 - When your lot went bust, Glover seemingly said he would pay off SOME creditors (I gather it was maybe 10%, and NONE of the £750k debt due to HMRC), so - within days - the RFL mitigated the 6 points to 4. I understand well before Glover actually paid anyone.

2 - When OKB went into administration, Moore & co had stated they intended to settle with the creditors. Subsequent documentation and statements strongly indicates that the intent was to settle with ALL the trade creditors. And I have seen nothing to suggest the RFL knew nothing of this. Indeed, I was personally told this was the intention ON THE DAY. HMRC were owed about 1/3 of what you lot owed HMRC, btw. Yet the RFL took several weeks, not days, and then deducted 6 points ANYWAY - even though material had been issued stating creditors would be paid.

3 - After the administration, BB2014 did not spend a CENT on players. So, can you explain what "We paid off some of our creditors rather than spending it on players" means? In the context of why you were decucted only 4 points, days after the adminstration order? Whereas bulls were deducted 6 points, weeks after?

Think that scenario only exists in your mind, please show me any public documentation to back up this claim - thanks.

Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:32 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

1 - When your lot went bust, Glover seemingly said he would pay off SOME creditors (I gather it was maybe 10%, and NONE of the £750k debt due to HMRC), so - within days - the RFL mitigated the 6 points to 4. I understand well before Glover actually paid anyone.

In fairness, IIRC Wakefield were shafted to an extent by the RFL's complicity in the Crusaders fiasco that was happening around that time, which resulted in their agreed repayment plan with HMRC being cancelled and a demand made for the full amount immediately.

Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:32 pm  

kinleycat wrote:

And they did all that for you and yet some of your more illustious and vocal supporters still think that after all that and an independent panel sifting through what ever cig pack backs they could find in the red hall bins, that they have been hard done by.
If they (the RFL) had dealt with the club properly at the point you have illistrated you would very possibly have gone out of SL there and then, baring in mind how some supporters are acting now after an independent review of sorts how do you think that would have been received.
The fact that it was double bent from day one makes it hard for anyone to assume now everything is on the level, but you have the results from the panel to at least attempt to assure you it is.
I would imagine the RFL big wigs are wondering why on earth they threw you that life belt in the first place.
I'm sorry so many people are so upset, i would have been if i were in your shoes, hell we have more chips than Harry Ramsdens, but you have the result, now you have to move on.

And I agree, if they hadn't bought the lease (to reinforce, they bought an asset, they didn't hand over cash as a gift), the outcome would have been very different, would it have been better, who the f**k knows! As in comedy timing is everything, and probable relegation along with new promotion play off system means our timing stinks!

Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:33 pm  

Kinleycat: Just answer my question, please?

All you have said there has no bearing whatsoever on what you stated, to explain why you were deducted 4 points and Bulls were deducted 6. Just answer the question please?

Btw, Green has stated that, far from ratifying the RFL's decision in the face of evidence supplied by the Bulls, the panel actually ruled that there was not enough evidence for a case for appeal on the grounds of force majeure. Nothing to do with the level of the points deduction.

I wonder how many other people, over the years, who have fought for answers so they can see if justice has actually been done, were told - by people in whose interest it was - to just "accept some reality"? You lot went apoplexic when there were suggestions that an injustice might be done across YOUR club. But you would deny the right of supporters of THIS club to continue to question what has happened, absent any definitive proof that an injustice has not been done? Hypocrite.

Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:33 pm  

BullCharge wrote:

I heard a rumour that when Wakefield went into admin, they were only deducted four points, and that they got to keep their full share of the sky money.

Rumours eh, we heard that your club were getting all the six points' back, just goes to show that you should not listen to all you hear on the Bulls board.

Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:36 pm  

vastman wrote:

Think that scenario only exists in your mind, please show me any public documentation to back up this claim - thanks.

At the same time as you show me any public documentation to demonstrate anything different to what I said.

Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:40 pm  

The real emotion in this debate is caused by promotion & relegation. Seen lots of notes about Cas, Hudds, Wakey going down and surviving, even prospering, along with notes about Union teams, but in those days to get back in the top league, you needed to be the best team amongst your peers (or win a play off game). The system for 2015 is so stacked against the top 4 from SL2, you also have to be a better team than the worst 4 in SL1, who coincidentally, can pay players substantially more than you're allowed to and employ more overseas players. Well we come back stronger, personally don't see how it can happen over 7 games.

Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:44 pm  

Adeybull wrote: , Moore & co had stated they intended to settle with the creditors. Subsequent documentation and statements strongly indicates that the intent was to settle with ALL the trade creditors. I have intended to give Bradford Bulls £1m and here is the subsequent documentation to prove it

Adeybull wrote: , Moore & co had stated they intended to settle with the creditors. Subsequent documentation and statements strongly indicates that the intent was to settle with ALL the trade creditors. I have intended to give Bradford Bulls £1m and here is the subsequent documentation to prove it

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Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:47 pm  

How much is £1m poweds?

Re: Points deduction upheld : Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:48 pm  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

I didn't write a post on here yesterday as emotions with fans on both the Bulls and Wakey were running high.

So here goes all is not lost for the Bulls, there are 12 games to go and 24 points to play for. Wakefield were 6 points adrift when JK came in and we won our last 3 games beating Castleford who were relegated.

The scenario this time not the same but there is more time for the Bulls. Accepting that both Wakefield and Salford will pick up points you need to win I would say half your games. Sunday is a key game for you as you would be 5 behind Salford if you win, that puts them under pressure. If Wakey beat London on Friday and I expect they will then if you lose on Sunday to Salford it makes the hill a bit steeper.

I wouldn't rule Hull FC out of the running yet although they are on 12 points and are more safe that at risk but never say never.

So chins up dig in and get some fire in your bellies look forward not backwards good luck

I know we beat you twice, but god knows how, there's only been 2 games where we had fire in our bellies (Cats in cup and Warrington in league) all season, what makes you think we can start now!!