Re: Where do we go from here? Two weeks off! : Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:20 pm  

When can he start?

Re: Where do we go from here? Two weeks off! : Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:59 pm  

Does anybody know what the situation is with our cheaper version of Fui Fui Moi Moi is. Not a mention anywhere in the last few week, we know he's not injured, a loan move seems unlikely, who wants him??. Disappeared off the radar

Having said this I fully expect to read in tomorrow's T&A that he's signed for Leeds on loan for rest of season

Re: Where do we go from here? Two weeks off! : Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:37 pm  

roger daly wrote:

Does anybody know what the situation is with our cheaper version of Fui Fui Moi Moi is. Not a mention anywhere in the last few week, we know he's not injured, a loan move seems unlikely, who wants him??. Disappeared off the radar

Having said this I fully expect to read in tomorrow's T&A that he's signed for Leeds on loan for rest of season

Nope not a clue.

Irks me that Lowes persisted with him in crucial games last year while every fan could see he wasn't good enough.

Now Lowes has actually given someone else a chance, Fleming his playing exceptionally well at the moment and now Lauaki is our 7th choice prop. Wbay would have happened If Lowes wasn't too stubborn, dropped Lauaki like everyone was crying out for, and played Fleming in that MPG. Another case of what if.

Re: Where do we go from here? Two weeks off! : Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:10 am  

Can't say I remember many people calling for fleming to play instead of lauaki last year. Fleming looked poor last year when he did play. This year he's improved a lot. Not sure if he's bulked up a bit or just that hes a year older.

With sidlow and kavanagh coming into reckoning in next week or so, hopefully we're trying to come to a compromise agreement with lauaki to release him. Can't see him playing for us again.

Re: Where do we go from here? Two weeks off! : Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:14 am  

I must admit, I was more vocal than anyone not wanting Fleming to play. As bad as Lauaki was, Fleming had offered nothing last season to suggest he deserved the spot. He looked a soft touch for such a big lad and a waste of a squad place.

Whilst I didn't see the Dewsbury game, I've been pleasantly surprised, or even shocked at what I have seen of Fleming this year. One of the only rays of light to come out of the Sheffield game and finally showing some of the potential.

That being said, when everyone's fit, does he get it in the 17? Clough, Sidlow & Kavanagh are surely our best 3 props, and when you're then down to only 1 more place in the team, it would be very harsh to leave out Mitch Clark after the way he's gone so far. At least with Clark, Fleming & hopefully Lovegrove back at some point, it finally gives us some real strength and competition, even before you factor in some of the others who haven't been as good, like Crossley & Lauaki.

Re: Where do we go from here? Two weeks off! : Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:05 am  

HamsterChops wrote:

I must admit, I was more vocal than anyone not wanting Fleming to play. As bad as Lauaki was, Fleming had offered nothing last season to suggest he deserved the spot. He looked a soft touch for such a big lad and a waste of a squad place.

Whilst I didn't see the Dewsbury game, I've been pleasantly surprised, or even shocked at what I have seen of Fleming this year. One of the only rays of light to come out of the Sheffield game and finally showing some of the potential.

That being said, when everyone's fit, does he get it in the 17? Clough, Sidlow & Kavanagh are surely our best 3 props, and when you're then down to only 1 more place in the team, it would be very harsh to leave out Mitch Clark after the way he's gone so far. At least with Clark, Fleming & hopefully Lovegrove back at some point, it finally gives us some real strength and competition, even before you factor in some of the others who haven't been as good, like Crossley & Lauaki.

Could play all of them? One criticism of the side has been the size of the pack. We could play a pack that looks like.

Clough
OB
Sidlow
Ferguson
Lovegrove (Played back-row before for KR)
Kavanagh

Lumb
Fleming
Clark
Pitts/Olbison

For me Addy wouldn't get in. Even when he has played in the back-row last couple of weeks he's offered very little. Only his goal kicking but that has been average at best all year.

I don't think the above will happen as Lowes prefers playing all of Olbison/Pitts/Addy in the back-row. While all are decent players, when playing all 3 we give up a lot of size in the pack and then wonder why we get dominated.

Re: Where do we go from here? Two weeks off! : Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:58 am  

vbfg wrote:

When can he start?

Someone like Liam Finn would be ideal. He's got all the attributes of a good HB but lacks a bit of pace now. He's done it at all levels & is natural leader, having captained Ireland in the WC. He's tied up at Wakey this year, not sure if he is free next year.

[Bullseye]

Re: Where do we go from here? Two weeks off! : Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:16 am  

Bull Mania wrote:

Could play all of them? One criticism of the side has been the size of the pack. We could play a pack that looks like.

Clough
OB
Sidlow
Ferguson
Lovegrove (Played back-row before for KR)
Kavanagh

Lumb
Fleming
Clark
Pitts/Olbison

For me Addy wouldn't get in. Even when he has played in the back-row last couple of weeks he's offered very little. Only his goal kicking but that has been average at best all year.

I don't think the above will happen as Lowes prefers playing all of Olbison/Pitts/Addy in the back-row. While all are decent players, when playing all 3 we give up a lot of size in the pack and then wonder why we get dominated.

Agree with almost all of that except I'd find room for Haggerty there on the bench as he has good hands and offers a bit of creativity.

Re: Where do we go from here? Two weeks off! : Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:57 am  

Bullseye wrote:

Occasionally the little halfback can be a really strong defender. I remember Allan Langer and Peter Sterling being superb defenders.

Re: Where do we go from here? Two weeks off! : Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:36 pm  

Classic tackle technique of attacking at the hips and sliding down the legs will bring anybody down. The problem is that in modern day rugby coaches seem to insist on tackling high and 'ragging' players about to give the defensive line time to get back. IMO the chief aim is to stop the player. Paul Deacon was a classic tackler.