[Bulliac]

: Mon May 25, 2009 10:37 am  

bigsi wrote:

I was indirectly quoting from an earlier celebrated post, to highlight the clear contradictions to such a generalisation. The cases you refer to are good examples of which there will be many others.

Not all coaches fail and therefore the line of argument that Macca shouldn't be replace as all coaches fail is empirically false.

The Fergussons of this world are very much exceptions which actually prove the rule. It`s also common knowledge that Fergie was almost sacked by United many years back.........however they stuck by him. Yet another poor decision I guess..........

[Bulliac]

Re: What If... : Mon May 25, 2009 10:45 am  

bigchris wrote:

Some of your comments I agree with but the sentence highlighted made me smile. I don't think I have ever seen a bunch of players with less spirit than Bulls this season.

Finally we get a result like we did in Scotland, spirit should be high, we can finally kick start our season against the team bottom of the league and then we have a spiritless performance like we did. We start games like we have already lost, heads are down and there is clearly no motivation or drive. Even after the Wakefield game when I met a few of the players they looked thoroughly depressed, no excitement about getting a result and certainly none of this spirit you have mentioned!

The team is not playing as a team, a few individual efforts have kept us close in some games but there is certainly no spirit in the Bradford team at the moment and that is clear to see by most, there are deep issues in the team and at the moment I can't see us digging ourselves out of this hole without major changes.

Teams lacking basic spirit get hammered every week they don`t lose by a few points. SL is a very competitive and unforgiving place without showing some spunk you won`t be losing by just five or six points.

: Mon May 25, 2009 10:59 am  

Bulliac wrote:

The Fergussons of this world are very much exceptions which actually prove the rule. It`s also common knowledge that Fergie was almost sacked by United many years back.........however they stuck by him. Yet another poor decision I guess..........

There's no comparison between Fergie and McNamara. I know people like to pull this line about Fergie nearly getting sacked while trying to defend McNamara but there's a world of difference. Fergie had a management pedigree before joining Man Utd. He'd already won several trophies and that's why he was offered the job and why he was given the nessasary time. McNamara has won nothing before getting the job and looks even less likely to win anything as things stand

: Mon May 25, 2009 11:01 am  

Asim wrote:

To a point I agree.

However a team with proven SL talent like Tadulala, Sykes, Nero, Scruton, Newton, Lynch, Burgess, Morrison, Menzies and Langley should not be running second from bottom after half a season.

Recruitment has been mickey-poor for a few years now, but there is still plenty there for any coach worth his salt to mould into something competent, even with a couple of duds thrown in.

Well this is a team that beat both Saints and Leeds this year. You can't tell me that a better coach wouldn't have been able to use that same team to get better results than what we've had

Re: What If... : Mon May 25, 2009 11:05 am  

Bulliac wrote:

Teams lacking basic spirit get hammered every week they don`t lose by a few points. SL is a very competitive and unforgiving place without showing some spunk you won`t be losing by just five or six points.

That depends on the quality of opposition though does it not? A hammering from a top side I agree with, but a narrow defeat against a side that your are (on paper at least) expected to beat could also be an example of a team lacking in spirit?

Where the Leeds and Saints results come in I am not so sure but we have had hammerings of a couple of "bigger" sides in Wire and Wigan and a few narrow defeats against teams that we really should be expecting to win.

: Mon May 25, 2009 11:38 am  

That's why I liked the suggested 'discount the best two/worst two results' idea. The norm is pretty consistent by that measure, close games with us winning one in three. There doesn't seem to be any correlation between the strength of the opposition and our likelihood of getting the win, so that remains a headscratcher.

: Mon May 25, 2009 11:44 am  

Bulliac wrote:

The Fergussons of this world are very much exceptions which actually prove the rule. It`s also common knowledge that Fergie was almost sacked by United many years back.........however they stuck by him. Yet another poor decision I guess..........

Hmm, difficult to argue when you keep changing the level of argument

Anyway, I paraphrased your post as saying all coaches fail so there is no point in getting a new one, as they too will fail.

Its a ridiculous claim. Do you really need me to explain it further? Okay

What I think you are saying is something along the lines of...

All coaches fail because they get the sack or leave their post at some point.

Okay, it is true all coaches leave their jobs at some point.

However, its also ridiculous . Its like saying that all people who leave their jobs, retire, etc have failed in their roles. Or, there is no point having a coach as they don't ultimately achieve.

Failure in coaching isn't necessarily counted in lost / won games. Its much more subtle than that. Many people would argue that Macca has failed and should be replaced. What you seem to be saying is that he shouldn't, as all coaches fail ultimatley. I don't believe the point on the thread is "do coaches achieve or fail" which is a huge topic. But should Macca go as he had failed.

: Mon May 25, 2009 12:02 pm  

I remember Hudds getting beaten every week last season but maintaining an incredible defensive record. Not many Hudds fans would now complain about Sharpe's dismissal.

: Mon May 25, 2009 12:05 pm  

bigsi wrote:

Yes, you must. Normally you are pretty on the ball so, just this once, you get the benefit of doubt.

Another alias ME?

: Mon May 25, 2009 12:09 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Another alias ME?

More pots and kettles!