Re: Continued poor running : Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:17 pm  

bowlingboy wrote:

Poor running,
Letting half last year's squad walk that could be retained. .chistole been the most ridiculous example.
visa gate
away shirt gate
poor communication
Damaging poor press releases
not having a coach lined up when pre season has started
Not having the new coach pick their own squad as it's too late
inviting rimmed to a fans forum
Making date announcements at said forum but letting said dates pass with no news..

I'm not been overly negative here
my point been that if I were Chalow there are two senior management staff members that have been involved in catastrophic failure in the past.. why would you have them anywhere near the place?
To top it off one has just arrived back in from the crash at Salford...
I would like to see this regime be a success more than anyone trust me and I hope they are I'm just surprised some manage to keep their position unquestionably

Thanks for the response bowlingboy. True, you are not being overly negative. To be fair, your first three points on the list are history therefore cannot be considered continued poor running. So the rest of your points:

Poor communication. was it ever thus? When it is going well, it is easy to communicate good news, indeed nothing, repeat nothing easier, you are surfing on the top of an overwhelming good-news sunami breaking wave. Same for when it is sort of going well but there nonetheless are concerns, although Chris's diatribe about not enough fans coughing up the readies is a case in counter-point. And we were supposedly doing well then. So when you start with nothing, have half your key players injured and the star you sign crocked after 60 minutes, yes that is difficult communication time. And please show me examples of clubs that announce they are going to lose the next game because they only have kids and make-squad-weights (hyphenation courtesy of FA) to play? If I am sounding a bit too critical I apologise, these are genuine questions, how would you do the PR in such a situation? Because if you have an answer, you have a job for life and not with the Bulls, with the best PR company in the world.

Damaging poor press releases. My take on this is what damage has been done other than to the blood pressure levels of a few OCD's on this forum? Are we bottom of championship 1 because of these PR's? Whether we like it or not, and note my T'witter name for Witter, social media is the future, not the past that this forum so clearly represents. With however apologies to a number of younger posters (eg BB11) who put up with this forum's old farts. So our media warrior with a spelling but not a grammar checker is fully the future, and no doubt inspiring those social media idiots to part with their pennies, unlike the old-life on this forum.

Not having a coach lined up. See my numerous previous posts essentially along the line of do we need to be practising our plays in October when first of all the team need to get fit courtesy of the new fitness team and then get the basics right such as catch a ball and make a tackle which is pretty generic training these days. Head coach teaching the U16's how to do a leg curl or squat? And Cha should have plan B, confirmed in the media that the current coaching team would supervise the first part of the preseason. Also Chalo have given the appointment timetable, which allows the new coach a couple of weeks with the squad and then assess their actual performance in a friendly a couple of months before the first competitive game.

Not having the coach selecting their own squad. Any organisation is run from the top, not the middle. Any good coach can take any squad and mould it to the top's requirements, and feed back to the top the failings of their choices, if they did not already know them but budget constraints dictated. Green did not know what it was all about, so could not provide that leadership (nor could his side-kicks but more of that later). Cha seems a bit more savvy, and will impose on the coach of his choice the squad of his, and Tooveys and etc etc etc choice.

Inviting Rimmed was sensible. From the horses mouth, Championship 1. Saves a lot of speculation and wasted hope. if I could have been there I would have taken the foulest smelling eggs to decorate him with for a wasted year purely for their convenience. Maybe if he gets invited again we will all know what to do.

Crash at Salford. more of a question of KC deciding he was not a sugar daddy, so our CEO or whatever was more a victim than a cause of the crash. where did Salford get to in superleague last season compared to us?

the other you refer to I presume is Duffy. He has been involved in spectacular success and failure in the past. Which indicates to me that it was those at the top not Duffy that caused the success or failure, per my previous comments that an organisation is lead from the top.

Making date announcements. I do not know the specifics, if you are up to it after this marathon please advise. All I can say in the meantime is that poop happens whatever the intentions. So credit to Cha for at least announcing the dates, how many owners would do that? But black marks for not acknowledging the dates have not been met, you do not have to give detailed reasons in such a situation.

My take on this admin is they have performed unseen and therefore unacknowledged miracles to get this far from their starting position, and all venom should be directed at the RFL for that starting position. But without counting chickens before they are hatched as poop can happen, if we are still around in five years time we may see last season as a turning point in the way the club is managed. Not by no-experience no-hopers, but by owners steeped in RL experience, and I suspect, a secret sugar daddy. The accounts when eventually released may shed some light on the last point, so I will update when they are available.

And that is it until we have a new coach and a few more of the balance of the squad in place,

FA can you quote-reply to this please so I can achieve my ambition of a full - page post from you, it is a very small handicap I have gifted you...

Re: Continued poor running : Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:58 am  

My pleasure!

martinwildbull wrote:

Thanks for the response bowlingboy.

Very polite.

True, you are not being overly negative.

Indeed, he isn't.

To be fair, your first three points on the list are history therefore cannot be considered continued poor running.

Indeed.

So the rest of your points:

Poor communication. was it ever thus?

'Twas, 'twas.

When it is going well, it is easy to communicate good news, indeed nothing, repeat nothing easier, you are surfing on the top of an overwhelming good-news sunami breaking wave. Same for when it is sort of going well but there nonetheless are concerns, although Chris's diatribe about not enough fans coughing up the readies is a case in counter-point. And we were supposedly doing well then. So when you start with nothing, have half your key players injured and the star you sign crocked after 60 minutes, yes that is difficult communication time. And please show me examples of clubs that announce they are going to lose the next game because they only have kids and make-squad-weights

Tad verbose, but not innacurate

(hyphenation courtesy of FA)

I - if I'm honest - which is predominantly the case (although on occasions I might just be - as they say - pulling your leg) - lament the gradual elimination of the poor, misunderstood hyphen from our language. It's hyphenethnic cleansing - if you ask me. Which - again, if I'm honest - few would, to be fair.

to play?

... or not to play? That is the question.

If I am sounding a bit too critical I apologise, these are genuine questions, how would you do the PR in such a situation? Because if you have an answer, you have a job for life and not with the Bulls, with the best PR company in the world.

It was actually just a single question, but I'm nit picking.

Damaging poor press releases. My take on this is what damage has been done other than to the blood pressure levels of a few OCD's on this forum? Are we bottom of championship 1 because of these PR's? Whether we like it or not, and note my T'witter name for Witter, social media is the future, not the past that this forum so clearly represents. With however apologies to a number of younger posters (eg BB11) who put up with this forum's old farts.

Hey, I personally know some of those old farts, they're not all quite as bad as they seem.

So our media warrior with a spelling but not a grammar checker is fully the future, and no doubt inspiring those social media idiots to part with their pennies, unlike the old-life on this forum.

This bit doesn't make sense. Needs re-working.

Not having a coach lined up. See my numerous previous posts essentially along the line of do we need to be practising our plays in October when first of all the team need to get fit courtesy of the new fitness team and then get the basics right such as catch a ball and make a tackle which is pretty generic training these days. Head coach teaching the U16's how to do a leg curl or squat? And Cha should have plan B, confirmed in the media that the current coaching team would supervise the first part of the preseason. Also Chalo have given the appointment timetable, which allows the new coach a couple of weeks with the squad and then assess their actual performance in a friendly a couple of months before the first competitive game.

Getting bored now. Sory can't be arrsed to check how long this is making the quotes. You'll have to take your chance.

Not having the coach selecting their own squad. Any organisation is run from the top, not the middle. Any good coach can take any squad and mould it to the top's requirements, and feed back to the top the failings of their choices, if they did not already know them but budget constraints dictated. Green did not know what it was all about, so could not provide that leadership (nor could his side-kicks but more of that later). Cha seems a bit more savvy, and will impose on the coach of his choice the squad of his, and Tooveys and etc etc etc choice.

To many et ceterae. A single etc. is all you need, as there can be no plural of all the rests,"cetera" encompassing the totality of other things there may be, and thus giving subsequent et ceteras nothing to do.

Inviting Rimmed was sensible. From the horses mouth, Championship 1. Saves a lot of speculation and wasted hope. if I could have been there I would have taken the foulest smelling eggs to decorate him with for a wasted year purely for their convenience. Maybe if he gets invited again we will all know what to do.

"Rimmed"! Love it - even if accidental - though I hope you don't speak from experience.

Crash at Salford. more of a question of KC deciding he was not a sugar daddy, so our CEO or whatever was more a victim than a cause of the crash. where did Salford get to in superleague last season compared to us?

I don't think we were in SL.

the other you refer to I presume is Duffy. He has been involved in spectacular success and failure in the past. Which indicates to me that it was those at the top not Duffy that caused the success or failure, per my previous comments that an organisation is lead from the top.

Indeed.

Making date announcements. I do not know the specifics, if you are up to it after this marathon please advise. All I can say in the meantime is that poop happens whatever the intentions. So credit to Cha for at least announcing the dates, how many owners would do that? But black marks for not acknowledging the dates have not been met, you do not have to give detailed reasons in such a situation.

Sort of.

My take on this admin is they have performed unseen and therefore unacknowledged miracles to get this far from their starting position, and all venom should be directed at the RFL for that starting position. But without counting chickens before they are hatched as poop can happen, if we are still around in five years time we may see last season as a turning point in the way the club is managed. Not by no-experience no-hopers, but by owners steeped in RL experience, and I suspect, a secret sugar daddy. The accounts when eventually released may shed some light on the last point, so I will update when they are available.

I agree some money simply must have been coming in from somewhere, indeed it seems blatantly obvious.

And that is it until we have a new coach and a few more of the balance of the squad in place,

FA can you quote-reply to this please so I can achieve my ambition of a full - page post from you, it is a very small handicap I have gifted you...

Merry Christmas.

Re: Continued poor running : Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:13 pm  

martinwildbull wrote:

Thanks for the response bowlingboy. True, you are not being overly negative. To be fair, your first three points on the list are history therefore cannot be considered continued poor running. So the rest of your points:

Poor communication. was it ever thus? When it is going well, it is easy to communicate good news, indeed nothing, repeat nothing easier, you are surfing on the top of an overwhelming good-news sunami breaking wave. Same for when it is sort of going well but there nonetheless are concerns, although Chris's diatribe about not enough fans coughing up the readies is a case in counter-point. And we were supposedly doing well then. So when you start with nothing, have half your key players injured and the star you sign crocked after 60 minutes, yes that is difficult communication time. And please show me examples of clubs that announce they are going to lose the next game because they only have kids and make-squad-weights (hyphenation courtesy of FA) to play? If I am sounding a bit too critical I apologise, these are genuine questions, how would you do the PR in such a situation? Because if you have an answer, you have a job for life and not with the Bulls, with the best PR company in the world.

Damaging poor press releases. My take on this is what damage has been done other than to the blood pressure levels of a few OCD's on this forum? Are we bottom of championship 1 because of these PR's? Whether we like it or not, and note my T'witter name for Witter, social media is the future, not the past that this forum so clearly represents. With however apologies to a number of younger posters (eg BB11) who put up with this forum's old farts. So our media warrior with a spelling but not a grammar checker is fully the future, and no doubt inspiring those social media idiots to part with their pennies, unlike the old-life on this forum.

Not having a coach lined up. See my numerous previous posts essentially along the line of do we need to be practising our plays in October when first of all the team need to get fit courtesy of the new fitness team and then get the basics right such as catch a ball and make a tackle which is pretty generic training these days. Head coach teaching the U16's how to do a leg curl or squat? And Cha should have plan B, confirmed in the media that the current coaching team would supervise the first part of the preseason. Also Chalo have given the appointment timetable, which allows the new coach a couple of weeks with the squad and then assess their actual performance in a friendly a couple of months before the first competitive game.

Not having the coach selecting their own squad. Any organisation is run from the top, not the middle. Any good coach can take any squad and mould it to the top's requirements, and feed back to the top the failings of their choices, if they did not already know them but budget constraints dictated. Green did not know what it was all about, so could not provide that leadership (nor could his side-kicks but more of that later). Cha seems a bit more savvy, and will impose on the coach of his choice the squad of his, and Tooveys and etc etc etc choice.

Inviting Rimmed was sensible. From the horses mouth, Championship 1. Saves a lot of speculation and wasted hope. if I could have been there I would have taken the foulest smelling eggs to decorate him with for a wasted year purely for their convenience. Maybe if he gets invited again we will all know what to do.

Crash at Salford. more of a question of KC deciding he was not a sugar daddy, so our CEO or whatever was more a victim than a cause of the crash. where did Salford get to in superleague last season compared to us?

the other you refer to I presume is Duffy. He has been involved in spectacular success and failure in the past. Which indicates to me that it was those at the top not Duffy that caused the success or failure, per my previous comments that an organisation is lead from the top.

Making date announcements. I do not know the specifics, if you are up to it after this marathon please advise. All I can say in the meantime is that poop happens whatever the intentions. So credit to Cha for at least announcing the dates, how many owners would do that? But black marks for not acknowledging the dates have not been met, you do not have to give detailed reasons in such a situation.

My take on this admin is they have performed unseen and therefore unacknowledged miracles to get this far from their starting position, and all venom should be directed at the RFL for that starting position. But without counting chickens before they are hatched as poop can happen, if we are still around in five years time we may see last season as a turning point in the way the club is managed. Not by no-experience no-hopers, but by owners steeped in RL experience, and I suspect, a secret sugar daddy. The accounts when eventually released may shed some light on the last point, so I will update when they are available.

And that is it until we have a new coach and a few more of the balance of the squad in place,

FA can you quote-reply to this please so I can achieve my ambition of a full - page post from you, it is a very small handicap I have gifted you...

You are Andrew Chalmers and I claim my £5.

Re: Continued poor running : Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:10 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

My pleasure!

Very polite.

Indeed, he isn't.

Indeed.

'Twas, 'twas.

Tad verbose, but not innacurate

I - if I'm honest - which is predominantly the case (although on occasions I might just be - as they say - pulling your leg) - lament the gradual elimination of the poor, misunderstood hyphen from our language. It's hyphenethnic cleansing - if you ask me. Which - again, if I'm honest - few would, to be fair.

... or not to play? That is the question.

It was actually just a single question, but I'm nit picking.

Hey, I personally know some of those old farts, they're not all quite as bad as they seem.

This bit doesn't make sense. Needs re-working.

Getting bored now. Sory can't be arrsed to check how long this is making the quotes. You'll have to take your chance.

To many et ceterae. A single etc. is all you need, as there can be no plural of all the rests,"cetera" encompassing the totality of other things there may be, and thus giving subsequent et ceteras nothing to do.

"Rimmed"! Love it - even if accidental - though I hope you don't speak from experience.

I don't think we were in SL.

Indeed.

Sort of.

I agree some money simply must have been coming in from somewhere, indeed it seems blatantly obvious.

Merry Christmas.

Love it

[Bullseye]

Re: Continued poor running : Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:16 am  

rugbyreddog wrote:

You are Andrew Chalmers and I claim my £5.

Far too many words for it to be him. I have Chalmers down as a "lurker" on here only

Re: Continued poor running : Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:17 am  

Bullseye wrote:

:lol:

Far too many words for it to be him. I have Chalmers down as a "lurker" on here only

I think it would be great if Chalmers actually joined the forum as Andrew Chalmers and interacted in a professional manner with regard to the issues we raise.

Which at the very least shows that (a) we care and (b) he cares too....

Unfortunately, this is the Bradford Bulls - all we have is Duffy acting as usual in an unprofessional manner - as Frank Whitcombe.

And worse than that - he gets a big say on the next coach - wonder if watching the game for years is the only qualification required to be a "football manager"..

We can all claim that then!

Re: Continued poor running : Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:35 am  

Errol Stock wrote:

I think it would be great if Chalmers actually joined the forum as Andrew Chalmers and interacted in a professional manner with regard to the issues we raise.

Which at the very least shows that (a) we care and (b) he cares too....

Unfortunately, this is the Bradford Bulls - all we have is Duffy acting as usual in an unprofessional manner - as Frank Whitcombe.

And worse than that - he gets a big say on the next coach - wonder if watching the game for years is the only qualification required to be a "football manager"..

We can all claim that then!

While Duffy and RHP are stealing salaries we are running in treacle, we need professional competent people in all positions from playing staff through to the chairmen, and imho these two have been involved to much in past failure to warrant a place at the top table.

On Rimmed it was a phone based typo, however Ralph Rimmed is what he shall be known as in my mind from now on!

[Bullseye]

Re: Continued poor running : Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:42 am  

Who says Frank is Stuart Duffy on here? Nobody has ever shown me any proof.

[Bulliac]

Re: Continued poor running : Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:45 am  

Mmm, Errol Stock says Frank Whitcombe isn't who he says he is.....Well, I can see the funny side to that if no-one else can!

Re: Continued poor running : Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:25 am  

Errol Stock wrote:

I think it would be great if Chalmers actually joined the forum as Andrew Chalmers and interacted in a professional manner with regard to the issues we raise.
...

Trouble with soshul meeja is that if he was ever that unwise, he'd be trolled to extinction.

Unless somebody ever manages to invent a way of stopping every thread ever, rapidly descending into a puerile slanging match. Unless somebody has a worldwide supply of Rohypnol, and a means of compulsorily administering it prior to anyone accessing any form of social media, interacting in a professional manner ain't never gonna happen.

The world of social media is largely inhabited by the sort of twunts who used to only be able to troll radio phone ins, but who now regale the comments sections of newspapers and similar repositories of professional interaction, and revel in being able to direct bile straight to any possible target.