Re: Summer Bash: Halifax : Sun May 19, 2019 11:17 am  

You lot are far too kind, we were awful with ball in hand . Absolutely awful. Halifax will watch that back and be furious at conceding the two tries we scored - so poor is our attack that we hadn't even created any space or overlap for our wingers, they were just poor 1 on 1 efforts by the Fax defenders.
I didn't count a single offload until the last ten minutes when we were chasing the game. Our kicking game is absolutely atrocious, what is the point in throwing these bombs up and then not contesting them? It's the same thing every set - 5 boring drives and then pass it to Milnes for a pointless bomb that goes far too deep.

We have to get some new halves for next season, we can't carry on with these two. I am convinced that Lilley will end up at hooker. If Flanagan is not retained I can definitely see us going with Wildie/Lilley/Doyle as our hookers.
I'm not even sure Milnes is a half back, I think he'd make a pretty decent loose forward once he fills out a bit.

Re: Summer Bash: Halifax : Sun May 19, 2019 11:35 am  

Nothus wrote:

You lot are far too kind, we were awful with ball in hand . Absolutely awful. Halifax will watch that back and be furious at conceding the two tries we scored - so poor is our attack that we hadn't even created any space or overlap for our wingers, they were just poor 1 on 1 efforts by the Fax defenders.
I didn't count a single offload until the last ten minutes when we were chasing the game. Our kicking game is absolutely atrocious, what is the point in throwing these bombs up and then not contesting them? It's the same thing every set - 5 boring drives and then pass it to Milnes for a pointless bomb that goes far too deep.

We have to get some new halves for next season, we can't carry on with these two. I am convinced that Lilley will end up at hooker. If Flanagan is not retained I can definitely see us going with Wildie/Lilley/Doyle as our hookers.
I'm not even sure Milnes is a half back, I think he'd make a pretty decent loose forward once he fills out a bit.

You are a typical John Kear side and I should imagine its pretty boring to watch every week. You are right about the offloads and you looked far more dangerous in that last ten minutes than you did all the game once the reigns had been taken off. Same goes for Lilley, he just has not moved forward with his development and Ive said elsewhere you may have won that game with Chisolm in the halves. I bet most people could name 10 better half backs in this league at the moment.

Re: Summer Bash: Halifax : Sun May 19, 2019 11:51 am  

Agree with many comments regarding our standard of play in attack. The final play of our sets, particularly, would cause me concern as their coach. Too easy for opponents to read our plays and deal with them. As has been said, high bombs with no pressuring runners, or speculative kicks into the corner (without a waiting Ethan Ryan to collect) are proving ineffective.
In terms of the result, since there's little to choose between the two teams, skill-wise, it was always going to be difficult to win this one. The effect of 2 high profile games in 2 weeks would have tested far superior teams to ours.
A bigger concern for me than the Fax match, is the one next week with Fev. After watching the "Chizzy Show" yesterday, and the overall speed of Fev, I really can't see us coming away with a win. Let's hope he overplays and ends up running down cul de sacs

Re: Summer Bash: Halifax : Sun May 19, 2019 12:34 pm  

Leeds were haunted by Jordan Lilley last weekend. Perhaps the ghost of Dane Chisholm will haunt the Bulls next weekend. The thing with Chisholm is confidence. If he’s playing well, the team play well. When he’s lacking in confidence the team is usually rudderless (which we have witnessed first hand). JK will know all of his flaws and should be exploiting them next week.

Re: Summer Bash: Halifax : Sun May 19, 2019 12:57 pm  

dddooommm wrote:

Leeds were haunted by Jordan Lilley last weekend. Perhaps the ghost of Dane Chisholm will haunt the Bulls next weekend. The thing with Chisholm is confidence. If he’s playing well, the team play well. When he’s lacking in confidence the team is usually rudderless (which we have witnessed first hand). JK will know all of his flaws and should be exploiting them next week.

Were they really though? Lilley did nothing against Leeds other than that floated pass to Grant. Milnes sets up three tries and kicks a few goals but Lilley gets all the plaudits because it was against Leeds. To even hint at suggesting we won that match thanks to Lilley is laughable.

I'm not sure how many of you watched the Fev v York game yesterday but Featherstone were red hot in all aspects of their game.

Re: Summer Bash: Halifax : Mon May 20, 2019 9:27 am  

Nothus wrote:

You lot are far too kind, we were awful with ball in hand . Absolutely awful. Halifax will watch that back and be furious at conceding the two tries we scored - so poor is our attack that we hadn't even created any space or overlap for our wingers, they were just poor 1 on 1 efforts by the Fax defenders.
I didn't count a single offload until the last ten minutes when we were chasing the game. Our kicking game is absolutely atrocious, what is the point in throwing these bombs up and then not contesting them? It's the same thing every set - 5 boring drives and then pass it to Milnes for a pointless bomb that goes far too deep.

Agree 100%. Awful. Grinding out wins against Leeds is a fantastic achievement BUT as has already been said, the style of play is awful to watch.

I think its affecting attendances too, and for sure the Summer Bash turnout (while good) was lower than in the past so we are losing spectators for some reason.

Featherestone were on fire as were Leigh, Widnes look like the impetus/passion from the survival era has evaporated.

We are in for a tough time.

Re: Summer Bash: Halifax : Mon May 20, 2019 2:33 pm  

Errol Stock wrote:

Agree 100%. Awful. Grinding out wins against Leeds is a fantastic achievement BUT as has already been said, the style of play is awful to watch.

I think its affecting attendances too, and for sure the Summer Bash turnout (while good) was lower than in the past so we are losing spectators for some reason.

Featherestone were on fire as were Leigh, Widnes look like the impetus/passion from the survival era has evaporated.

We are in for a tough time.

I'm not a huge fan of the way Kear is playing the team (both tactically and squad selection) and I don't think he's the guy to lead us back to SL but I really don't get all the doom and gloom.

"We are in for a tough time?" Really? After all the club have been through over the last 10 years you think this is a tough time?

Those who think the club should be top end and pushing for promotion are living in cloud cuckoo land. We are right where should be. We aren't getting relegated and we aren't getting promoted so why not blood some kids, take the wins and enjoy them and the rest will take care of itself.

Re: Summer Bash: Halifax : Mon May 20, 2019 2:52 pm  

bullinenemyland wrote:

I'm not a huge fan of the way Kear is playing the team (both tactically and squad selection) and I don't think he's the guy to lead us back to SL but I really don't get all the doom and gloom.

"We are in for a tough time?" Really? After all the club have been through over the last 10 years you think this is a tough time?

Those who think the club should be top end and pushing for promotion are living in cloud cuckoo land. We are right where should be. We aren't getting relegated and we aren't getting promoted so why not blood some kids, take the wins and enjoy them and the rest will take care of itself.

We are in for a tough time in terms of upcoming games - to be precise. I have stood on those terraces since 1964 so you have no need to explain knack all about tough times.

I dont think we should be top

I think we should be competing for a top 5 place and I would like to see a brand of rugby that gets people excited and talking about the club.

That way we may get more supporters back and more cash in the coffers - which in turn mught go some way to retaining our talent by paying enough wages to keep them. Rather than continually losing them to the vultures down the A62.

Hope thats clearer now.

Re: Summer Bash: Halifax : Mon May 20, 2019 3:30 pm  

Errol Stock wrote:

I think we should be competing for a top 5 place and I would like to see a brand of rugby that gets people excited and talking about the club.

That way we may get more supporters back and more cash in the coffers - which in turn mught go some way to retaining our talent by paying enough wages to keep them. Rather than continually losing them to the vultures down the A62.

Hope thats clearer now.

Absolutely I think much of the disquiet on here is down to the way we are playing not the results because doubtless we will win some and lose some. Our defence is quite mean generally but could be better if we moved up more quickly at the play the ball. We often move up and then wait for the attack to reach us. Just keep moving. As for the attack it is very poor most of the time. This may be down to the fact that our two halves are young and inexperienced, in which case we need to bite the bullet and stick with them as I'm sure they will come good in due course. COYB

Re: Summer Bash: Halifax : Mon May 20, 2019 3:38 pm  

We are exactly where I thought we would be i.e mid-table.

We certainly won't be relegated, and whilst I think we actually are challenging for the Top 5, it's impossible to predict whether we will end up in the Top 5, since it is very tight between us, Sheffield, Leigh, York, Halifax etc.

It would be nice to finish in the Top 5, but I don't really expect it, and its a bit immaterial IMO opinion as nobody is likely to get close to Toronto anyway (replacing Rowley with a proven winner in McDermott means they won't choke like last season)

TL:DR if we get smashed by Featherstone on Sunday (as I fully expect) it's not really going to make that much difference to us eventually ending up mid-table at the end of the season.