: Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:51 am  

bnp are very up and down around here, they managed to get voted in wibsey, but then got voted straight out etc. a few years back.

[Bullseye]

: Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:03 am  

Today's Sadler Express makes for interesting reading. Seems that the BCFC Supporters Trust have shoved their oar in to the debate.

What a great way to ensure closer links and friendship between the two clubs

If VP is ever to house both the Bulls and City the BCFC supporters trust would do well to keep their traps shut IMO. Their interference in the OSV decision making is only likely to give Bulls fans a stick to beat BCFC with and sour relations between both sets of fans.

: Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:19 am  

Shaggoth wrote:

But I genuinely do think you need to at the very least TRY and explain it because it makes no sense to the rest of us. Why would you actively want to stay where your fellow fans burned to death? I can't fathom where the logic is in that.

What I will never ever ever do is to make light of the collective grief that is still felt by all at City but to stay at VP for that reason seems nothing short of macabre. I've made the analogy before but if your son or daughter died in a housefire, would your first priority be to repaint it and move back in or to move the hell out as fast as you can?

My grandfather supported City for 50+ years and died at VP on his 70th birthday and probably the happiest day in his lifetime of supporting the club he loved. For me it will always be his resting place and spiritual home. That may make no sense to you but it does to me and a fair few fellow fans who went through what happened in 1985.

It may seem illogical but it is how it is.

[Bullseye]

: Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:27 am  

BM wrote:

My grandfather supported City for 50+ years and died at VP on his 70th birthday and probably the happiest day in his lifetime of supporting the club he loved. For me it will always be his resting place and spiritual home. That may make no sense to you but it does to me and a fair few fellow fans who went through what happened in 1985.

It may seem illogical but it is how it is.

Similarly a great many people have had their ashes scattered at Odsal and see that as their final resting place too.

Emotions will run high for fans of the Bulls and City if either club had to move from their current home.

: Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:34 am  

Bullseye wrote:

Today's Sadler Express makes for interesting reading. Seems that the BCFC Supporters Trust have shoved their oar in to the debate.

What a great way to ensure closer links and friendship between the two clubs

If VP is ever to house both the Bulls and City the BCFC supporters trust would do well to keep their traps shut IMO. Their interference in the OSV decision making is only likely to give Bulls fans a stick to beat BCFC with and sour relations between both sets of fans.

I always have trouble with people who spout off and claim to speak for the majority. City's various supporters clubs/trusts have not been the best.

To be honest relations between the two clubs were fine until the vitriol over moving to VP happened. Everything from having to sit, no place for bouncy castles, cars being damaged, heavy handed stewarding and the "local residents" were crucified by Bulls fans and City fans took umbrage.

It's been a while but those bridges have never been repaired and I simply can't see them getting any better with some of entrenched attitudes on both sides.

: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:34 pm  

I've been going to both VP and Odsal for years. Had my car damaged once at VP in that time. I've had my car vandalised the same amount of times at my own house.

VP is easier for me to get to than Odsal, and I like the fact that VP is covered for when it lashes it down, and the sound carries when the crowd make a noise. Anyone who was there at VP when City lost to Accrington would know what I mean. However, I like Odsal when it's a nice day, it's a smashing place to be.

I was involved in the BISA campaign to get Bulls back to Odsal, mainly because I believed that was it's psiritual home, not because I didn't like VP. People go on about over handed stewards, but they were doing their job (i.e. inforcing the fact that you are not allowed to stand in an all seater stadium). Has anyone tried standing on a yellow section at Odsal? That is a no-no. One thing that got me was the amount of people who would not watch Bulls at VP simply because it was not on tehir doorstep at Odsal. These people would have no qualms at watching Bulls in Wigan, Hull, London etc, but would not go to VP, because they would have to get a bus. Using the area is an excuse.

I believe that due to the history involved at Odsal and VP for Bulls and City respectively, the best option for the clubs to share a stadium would be to have a purpose built one. It hasn't effected clubs such as Wigan RLFC and Wigan Athletic, or Hull FC and Hull City. Apart from Warriors, it has boosted the other teams.

: Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:58 pm  

ritz wrote:

why should they have been voted in just cos loads voted for them, i know the majority of people where i live voted bnp, but areas around me ie horsfall area, st abbs voted labour, majority in woodside voted labour but loads voted bnp, 3000 people could vote bnp but if 3001 voted labour then labour get in, but if that 1 extra person voted bnp then they would get in.

Are you getting a bit mixed up here or is it me?
The bnp have never had an MP elected, ever, at all. They won't be either. The labour party could put a small pile of bricks up for the seat in Bradford South and it would get more votes than the bnp. Surely nobody wants nazis in parliament!!!

The bnp councillor in the area was elected by a small margin in a particularly low turn-out.

Anyway, all that is off topic. Most MPs just try make the right noises at election time to keep their seats.

: Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:52 pm  

ritz wrote:

Landlord of where we have our club dos and meetings is chairman of bradford bnp, next time im in im gonna ask him his views on the osv and see if he can tell me owt that we dont get to here about.

Personally from what you've said, I've never darken your landlord's door again never mind attempt to engage him in conversation.

Are you saying that you'd consider voting BNP *if* he did support the OSV ??

: Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:53 pm  

BM wrote:

Personally from what you've said, I've never darken your landlord's door again never mind attempt to engage him in conversation.

Are you saying that you'd consider voting BNP *if* he did support the OSV ??

Where have i said id consider voting bnp?
I said the landlord of our clubhouse is the chairman of bradford branch of bnp, he doesnt force his views on you, if you didnt know he was bnp you would never guess it.
One of our assistant coaches is black british and he has no qualms about being in there, bnp is no longer hardline, some of the peopel who back them can be but if bnp councillor had hardline views then they wouldnt be allowed to say owt.
Halifax/queensbury/thornhill/dewsbury all have bnp councillors in the local areas.
I do not vote anyone cos they all speak absolute rubbish and dont believe any of them, but alot of people in wibsey area did vote for them.

: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:42 pm  

no longer hardline? “I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat…I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter day witch-hysteria.” Nick Griffin, BNP leader. That's their leader How hardline do you want them?!?! The good news is that it might not matter for Bradford for much longer... http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/index.php?link=template&story=214 My apologies to the moderators for the political link but I think it's appropriate given the direction of the debate.

no longer hardline? “I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat…I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter day witch-hysteria.” Nick Griffin, BNP leader. That's their leader How hardline do you want them?!?! The good news is that it might not matter for Bradford for much longer... http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/index.php?link=template&story=214 My apologies to the moderators for the political link but I think it's appropriate given the direction of the debate.