[Bulliac]

Re: Fans Forum 4th Dec : Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:34 pm  

jammle wrote:

I am not a season ticket holder, but am a sponsor, does this mean i can't go ?

I handed over more than a grand last year in one form or another to the club, and would have liked to have gone to see what they had to say and maybe responded to it.

Not such a good call

I'd expect a sponsor would be able to make an appointment and have a one to one with the chairman at a mutually convenient time, to be honest - but I agree with your point.

[Pumpetypump]

Re: Fans Forum 4th Dec : Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:19 pm  

HamsterChops wrote:

Not at all. I agree with you in that it's a daft thing to penalise non-ST holders in this way (and you're right in other ways you reward ST holders, rather than this). And it wasn't you I was referring to there anyway, as you've said before, you're mildly annoyed by it, but don't seem to have gone overboard. It's the ones who go ridiculously over the top and make out they're being outcast by the club that I'm referring to. Crazy overreactions to a minor thing that makes very little difference.

By all means discuss it, but I'm suggesting those getting all uppity about it are taking things a bit far.

Well that’s not fair now is it. You’ve gone and written a measured response to my bad tempered post. What am I supposed to do now?

Re: Fans Forum 4th Dec : Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:43 pm  

Pumpetypump wrote:

Well that’s not fair now is it. You’ve gone and written a measured response to my bad tempered post. What am I supposed to do now?

Conspiracy theory time! Just make sure you throw in some imagined amounts of money, something about our Directors being sh*t and us getting relegated to Championship 1 (or even the Pennine League if you really want to push the boat out) and you'll be fine

Re: Fans Forum 4th Dec : Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:43 pm  

jammle wrote:

I am not a season ticket holder, but am a sponsor, does this mean i can't go ?

I handed over more than a grand last year in one form or another to the club, and would have liked to have gone to see what they had to say and maybe responded to it.

Not such a good call

Sponsors get what their sponsorship package says they get. this is for season ticket holders not sponsors so if you want to go, just stump up for a season ticket and job done.

the only gaffe (a big one, and the latest in a long line) is announcing it as a Fans' Forum". Everybody is used to what those are and being able to attend and I have no clue why they stuck with that description. On the club site it states:

THE BULLS' directors are exclusively inviting all season-ticket holders to a fans forum on Wednesday, December 4.
Starting at 7pm, in the Coral Stand at The Provident Stadium, the forum will be the first of the season-ticket holder only events in preparation for the 2014 season.
The evening will begin with an introduction from the board of directors followed by an open question and answer session.
Chairman Mark Moore said: "As the new season draws ever closer, the board would like to invite season-ticket holders to this event on Wednesday.
"We have said time and again that we see season-ticket holders as major investors in the club and would like to offer them an exclusive opportunity to speak with the board."

that all makes perfect sense. And if they had marketed it as a Season Ticket Holders' Meet-the-Board Night" (which is what it is) or some such, instead of a "fans forum" (which is what it's not) then none of this flak would have fired off.

A reasonable idea in principle, but just handled remarkably badly.

Re: Fans Forum 4th Dec : Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:03 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Sponsors get what their sponsorship package says they get. this is for season ticket holders not sponsors so if you want to go, just stump up for a season ticket and job done.

the only gaffe (a big one, and the latest in a long line) is announcing it as a Fans' Forum". Everybody is used to what those are and being able to attend and I have no clue why they stuck with that description. On the club site it states:

that all makes perfect sense. And if they had marketed it as a Season Ticket Holders' Meet-the-Board Night" (which is what it is) or some such, instead of a "fans forum" (which is what it's not) then none of this flak would have fired off.

A reasonable idea in principle, but just handled remarkably badly.

That's really just a question of semantics though, isn't it? I mean, are you really saying that season ticket holders don't count as fans? And it's not like the club has announced a fans forum but kept it a secret that only season ticker holders can go until people turn up at the door. The club has been straight forward in their marketing of the event and are clearly using it as another attempt to drum up some extra season ticket sales

Re: Fans Forum 4th Dec : Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:16 pm  

roofaldo2 wrote:

That's really just a question of semantics though, isn't it?

How is it? The Bulls organise all sorts of events. An event to reward season ticket holders by having the chance to personally meet and ask questions of the new board is just one more type of event.

roofaldo2 wrote:

I mean, are you really saying that season ticket holders don't count as fans?

Of course not! Just that the event is for 2014 paid-up season ticket holders specifically, and is expressly part of the additional benefits which you are entitled to if you pay for a season ticket.

roofaldo2 wrote:

And it's not like the club has announced a fans forum but kept it a secret that only season ticker holders can go until people turn up at the door. The club has been straight forward in their marketing of the event and are clearly using it as another attempt to drum up some extra season ticket sales

I doubt that very much. If any more than a handful of people "buy" admission directly just so they can attend then I would be amazed. They would be a million times more likely to still not buy a season ticket, but instead whinge on here about it not being fair they can't attend a season ticket holders' event, even though they aren't season ticket holders.

I'm not quite sure whether there's a pejorative note in your remark "attempt to drum up some extra season ticket sales". "Drum up"? Unfortunate wording. Is it a bad thing for a business to "drum up" sales, if it does?

Re: Fans Forum 4th Dec : Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:26 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

How is it? The Bulls organise all sorts of events. An event to reward season ticket holders by having the chance to personally meet and ask questions of the new board is just one more type of event.

Of course not! Just that the event is for 2014 paid-up season ticket holders specifically, and is expressly part of the additional benefits which you are entitled to if you pay for a season ticket.

I doubt that very much. If any more than a handful of people "buy" admission directly just so they can attend then I would be amazed. They would be a million times more likely to still not buy a season ticket, but instead whinge on here about it not being fair they can't attend a season ticket holders' event, even though they aren't season ticket holders.

I'm not quite sure whether there's a pejorative note in your remark "attempt to drum up some extra season ticket sales". "Drum up"? Unfortunate wording. Is it a bad thing for a business to "drum up" sales, if it does?

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I suppose that the Directors now are in the position to outline plans for the coming season? And like a normal members club you present these details, as a matter of good sense and courtesy, to your members, who in this case, are being established as season ticket holders! I expect that sponsors will be invited to their own particular meetings. It will then follow that they will have open days and Forums for all supporters in the coming season.
Sounds like a plan to improve the "Meet the Supporters" in a better structured way for 2014?

Re: Fans Forum 4th Dec : Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:40 pm  

Is this one of those events that Mr Moore meant when he said he wanted the Coral Suite used more? Good stuff

Re: Fans Forum 4th Dec : Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:28 pm  

HamsterChops wrote:

Aye, god knows why a club would consider season ticket holders their most important/loyal fans to keep happy. That's just crazy.

So this loyal fan who makes 10+ games a year buys a shirt every year and other merchandise isn't important or loyal OK fair do's.

Re: Fans Forum 4th Dec : Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:48 pm  

I can see what the club are trying to achieve in adding incentives for people to buy a season ticket. Perhaps the club should simply of allowed free entry to ST holders and charged for non ST holders. So those who don't purchase a ST (for whatever reason) still have an opportunity to put their opinion over to the board. And the club achieve their objective of adding value and encouraging the purchase of a season ticket.