Re: Season Tickets 2018 : Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:05 pm  

One of the most galling examples of abject incompetence is that sadly I'm old enough to remember when the amateur RU was pretty much a shambles and of no competition to RL.

Then they went fully pro and got some serious people in to run it.

In a relatively short period of years they transformed RU into an economic monster, while RL stagnated and look at the difference now.

Re: Season Tickets 2018 : Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:10 pm  

paulwalker71 wrote:

I must confess those two things, taken together, had crossed my mind as well. How can we be confident that the dismissal case is nothing to worry about when they can't even figure out how much the central funding is before presenting their plans?

I might just be jumpy because we constantly had Marc Green assuring us that the HMRC were 'in error' in their claims on the club...

Yeh you can say a lot about HMRC but they're not famous for their errors in calculating the tax due!

In terms of worry, if a few dozen cases are progressing through the employment tribunal then each will need to be individually assessed and dealt with by lawyers and this will cost in total approximately an arm and a leg. None of which costs anyone is ever likely to get back, even if we "win". So if I were paying to fight the case, I would certainly be worried, unless someone's doing it for free. Which isn't likely.

Re: Season Tickets 2018 : Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:23 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

:lol: Yeh you can say a lot about HMRC but they're not famous for their errors in calculating the tax due!

In terms of worry, if a few dozen cases are progressing through the employment tribunal then each will need to be individually assessed and dealt with by lawyers and this will cost in total approximately an arm and a leg. None of which costs anyone is ever likely to get back, even if we "win". So if I were paying to fight the case, I would certainly be worried, unless someone's doing it for free. Which isn't likely.

All the indications are that all the claims against the 3 respondents ( Green's company, the RFL and the new club ) will be heard at one Tribunal . Each respondent will be represented by a separate Rep ( a barrister for the RFL) .

Re: Season Tickets 2018 : Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:35 pm  

You'd assume so, but that just makes it worse, as obviously presenting 3 separate cases, and then presenting the defences of 3 seperate respondents, is going to take pretty much three times as long as it would just against us, and so probably double our representation costs at least. Great.

Re: Season Tickets 2018 : Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:51 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

One of the most galling examples of abject incompetence is that sadly I'm old enough to remember when the amateur RU was pretty much a shambles and of no competition to RL.

Then they went fully pro and got some serious people in to run it.

In a relatively short period of years they transformed RU into an economic monster, while RL stagnated and look at the difference now.

Agreed. I worry for the future of the game.
It is quite possible that the Catalans may be playing in the Championship next season. I would bet a few quid that the Union authorities are alive to that possibility and have contingency plans. When I visited Perpignan in the early years of Catalans it was a Union city. Perpignan RU were a top French team playing in the top league and European competitions. I'm sure the French Union will be prepared to invest in their game in that area and exploit any League failure.
Whilst the top administrators now receive remuneration packages previous regimes could only dream of , they have, for example, stripped the development departments of regional coaches.
. The Toronto owner has funded his enterprise without any help from the centre. In North America there are 100's of young athletes coming out of college every year who will not find a place on an NFL roster. Why not employ some RL coaches to tap into that market.
All your points about the NFL are valid. And a draft system is not unique to American Football or indeed American sports. Aussie Rules has a draft of young players ( based on similar principles of last picks first) which is not based on colleges/ educational establishments but on junior/ community clubs.

Re: Season Tickets 2018 : Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:52 pm  

Bullnorthern wrote:

All the indications are that all the claims against the 3 respondents ( Green's company, the RFL and the new club ) will be heard at one Tribunal . Each respondent will be represented by a separate Rep ( a barrister for the RFL) .

It could also boil down to which two respondents throw the other under the bus.

Re: Season Tickets 2018 : Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:10 pm  

Does anyone (who maybe knows a bit about the legal stuff here) think that the players actually have a case against the new company?
And if so, why? AC said at the forum that the new club was not even formed until after the date of the liquidation.

[Bulliac]

Re: Season Tickets 2018 : Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:21 pm  

debaser wrote:

Does anyone (who maybe knows a bit about the legal stuff here) think that the players actually have a case against the new company?
And if so, why? AC said at the forum that the new club was not even formed until after the date of the liquidation.

Is that the date of the actual liquidation or the earlier time when we all thought the club had been liquidated, but it hadn't? Indeed, is that the whole reason why the new club is embroiled in this mess?

Re: Season Tickets 2018 : Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:12 pm  

Does anyone know where or when the Employment Tribunals are being held?

AFAIK ET's are open to all members of the public, so we could just turn up and actually hear (something near) the truth?

Re: Season Tickets 2018 : Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:14 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

Is that the date of the actual liquidation or the earlier time when we all thought the club had been liquidated, but it hadn't? Indeed, is that the whole reason why the new club is embroiled in this mess?

Is the fact that the 12 pt deduction was against the old company and therefore how can the new company be penalised for a Company that has been liquidated ?

My understanding is that it cannot be held responsible for any debt or expenses of the Club (business) which was liquidated legally by the Administrator. If you read the administrators report (page 5) a better picture emerges and the RFL has much to explain?