[Bulliac]

Re: Toronto playing at Odsal : Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:22 pm  

HamsterChops wrote:

Was just gonna say the same. Any rent money for paying there may be paid directly to RFL HQ...

It would be an interesting idea.

Not sure how it would fly legally though - I mean, if I leased a house and, because of temporary circumstances, (caused in many respects by the landlord) the landlord agreed to let me stay for nothing I would still be the legal tenant and I don't see how the landlord could then also let it to someone else as well. Well, not unless he'd changed the wording on the lease, of course.

If we were allowed to sublet....maybe, who knows, but the RFL would no doubt re-consider our rent free option on the grounds that we'd just come into some money!

In any case, I think the idea that they are simply playing a block of away games at the start of the season is likely to be correct. It's only a slightly(?) longer version of what has happened when clubs sharing with soccer clubs have to wait for new pitches to be laid.

Re: Toronto playing at Odsal : Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:25 pm  

It would obviously depend on the terms of the lease. i.e. do we only have use of it on match days. I remember similar arguments when we were using Valley Parade. An argument could be made if we still have the same use then we are not being disadvantaged and therefore should pay the same rent.

Re: Toronto playing at Odsal : Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:50 pm  

Other rumours of fixture changes abound elsewhere on RLFans. One surrounds he uncertainty of the financial viability of Salford Red Devils. No-one worth reading (especially Bulls fans that know all too well about the horrors of administration/liquidation) would wish that upon a fellow club. However, one side rumour does suggest that Bradford may benefit from the above sad situation were it to come to pass. Salford are meeting with the RFL soon (as also mentioned on their fans' breakaway forum).

Re: Toronto playing at Odsal : Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:53 pm  

Don't see how Salford situation changes anything. Rimmers Rule book means they would just start in SL on -6 for a first offence. The rest of the clubs may appreciate the extra Sky money though.

Re: Toronto playing at Odsal : Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:28 pm  

rugbyreddog wrote:

Don't see how Salford situation changes anything. Rimmers Rule book means they would just start in SL on -6 for a first offence. The rest of the clubs may appreciate the extra Sky money though.

The willingness of people to bankroll (up to a point) a phoenix club was there after Bradford's liquidation. Rimmer's Rules could only lead to your suggested outcome were that also to be the case in Salford. Anyway probably best to wait and see what transpires at the meeting.

Re: Toronto playing at Odsal : Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:36 pm  

Think you're over egging it to say bankroll, banknote is closer.

[Bulliac]

Re: Toronto playing at Odsal : Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:38 am  

rugbyreddog wrote:

It would obviously depend on the terms of the lease. i.e. do we only have use of it on match days. I remember similar arguments when we were using Valley Parade. An argument could be made if we still have the same use then we are not being disadvantaged and therefore should pay the same rent.

Could be correct, I guess, though we do have (sort of) precedents of other uses in the big truck events at Odsal that have been held. We (the club) have been giving the advertising some stick which more than suggests it's 'our' event, and there are also the concerts where I guess the loss was purely ours..

Re: Toronto playing at Odsal : Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:09 pm  

DrFeelgood wrote:

See your point, but then we must get something out of it. We're still the tenants aren't we? If I was renting a house and my landlord suddenly decided that his mates were staying over with me, I'd be pretty miffed, especially if I was expected to put them up for nowt! Clearly I have no knowledge of how any of this works but I can't see us getting nothing.

That analogy would work if you were renting the property 24x7 however the Bulls are only renting Odsal 1 day in every 2 weeks, and therefore what the landlord does on the other 13 days out of 14 is entirely their choice. Obviously this becomes an issue if the landlord rent the property out on the same day that you have the property...

However I think this is a none story, in that there is a period of time that the ground is not available due to renovation work, so they are playing away from home during this period, this happens at a number of grounds in the UK (especially where the ground is shared with a football team). I accept that this is an extreme case. Halifax are Toronto's first home game and as such have been put on warning that there is a danger that the work could overrun. would be guaranteed to overrun in the UK i suspect.

[Bulliac]

Re: Toronto playing at Odsal : Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:14 pm  

FevGrinder wrote:

That analogy would work if you were renting the property 24x7 however the Bulls are only renting Odsal 1 day in every 2 weeks, and therefore what the landlord does on the other 13 days out of 14 is entirely their choice. Obviously this becomes an issue if the landlord rent the property out on the same day that you have the property...

However I think this is a none story, in that there is a period of time that the ground is not available due to renovation work, so they are playing away from home during this period, this happens at a number of grounds in the UK (especially where the ground is shared with a football team). I accept that this is an extreme case. Halifax are Toronto's first home game and as such have been put on warning that there is a danger that the work could overrun. would be guaranteed to overrun in the UK i suspect.

Not sure where you've got the idea that the Bulls only "rent" the ground for '1 day in 14'. It's actually a lease, and the lease is over many years - 100+. I doubt the landlord (Bfd Met) have any intention of leasing to anyone else and we, as a sub tenant of the primary leaseholder (The RFL), currently have full use.

The club's offices are there, open normal office hours through the week, for 12 months per year. The club shop, normally open six, none-match days per week, is also located at the ground and the banqueting suite, used for club and other functions is open at anytime, as and when needed. Some training is also done there through the week.

I totally agree that it's a none-story, though.

Re: Toronto playing at Odsal : Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:44 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

Not sure where you've got the idea that the Bulls only "rent" the ground for '1 day in 14'. It's actually a lease, and the lease is over many years - 100+. I doubt the landlord (Bfd Met) have any intention of leasing to anyone else and we, as a sub tenant of the primary leaseholder (The RFL), currently have full use.

The club's offices are there, open normal office hours through the week, for 12 months per year. The club shop, normally open six, none-match days per week, is also located at the ground and the banqueting suite, used for club and other functions is open at anytime, as and when needed. Some training is also done there through the week.

I totally agree that it's a none-story, though.

Bulliac,

I was trying to talk about the analogy of renting a property (which was the comparison that DrFeelgood used). I am sure that the lease agreement covers a lot more than just the Bradford Bull fixtures on match days. Though I suspect it does not give the Bulls a 24x7 usage of the whole venue. An example of this being that other events are run there, for example "The Extreme Stunt Show" run earlier this month.

If the Bulls get a say about what events are run and are getting revenue from these other events that is brilliant, but I suspect that they don't. Which was my point of the original post.