Re: Chalmers and Lowe the conspiracy : Wed May 10, 2017 8:44 am  

Nothus wrote:

We never should have signed Pryce.

Leon's inevitably going to be the scapegoat. For me he's done his job in what we have brought him in for which is guide the young team around. He did his job superbly in our great wins over Batley, Sheffield, Toulouse etc. At the moment the team's confidence is shot and while Leon can guide the team around, he can't help it when Joe Keyes decides to float a kick nicely for the Sheffield player to run onto to run full length.

[Bullseye]

Re: Chalmers and Lowe the conspiracy : Wed May 10, 2017 8:53 am  

Like any halfback he’s not going to be doing as well behind a pack that’s beaten. When we were going forward he looked decent enough.

Re: Chalmers and Lowe the conspiracy : Wed May 10, 2017 9:46 am  

I suspect Leon played more than a part in keeping what was left of our squad together over the off season. Had he not been here, then I bet our squad would be even more threadbare than it is now, by more than just one body.

Re: Chalmers and Lowe the conspiracy : Wed May 10, 2017 9:54 am  

He is still a good player and can't be used as a scapegoat, like it says above if he was behind a pack alongside Chissy or Lilley he would go ok, its just his old bones are a bit achy... I know mine are..

Re: Chalmers and Lowe the conspiracy : Wed May 10, 2017 10:08 am  

I think it's already been mentioned that the team we had when we originally signed Leon is a completely different animal to what we have now. I don't think it was ever intended that he should have to do the amount of work he now finds himself involved in.

Re: Chalmers and Lowe the conspiracy : Wed May 10, 2017 10:08 am  

Bull Mania wrote:

Leon's inevitably going to be the scapegoat. For me he's done his job in what we have brought him in for which is guide the young team around. He did his job superbly in our great wins over Batley, Sheffield, Toulouse etc. At the moment the team's confidence is shot and while Leon can guide the team around, he can't help it when Joe Keyes decides to float a kick nicely for the Sheffield player to run onto to run full length.

Not scapegoating, I just don't think his performances so far this season have been good enough. He's probably our highest earner so I'm expecting more from him than what we've got so far.
Throughout his whole career Leon has had the habit of going missing from games when his side weren't on top, and we're still seeing it happen now. He's lost all agility and pace that he used to have to the point where he can't even make a clean break in this division.

It's funny you bagging Keyes for that kick. The Sheffield player didn't go the full length, he was caught. Sheffield did score on that same set of six though - by beating Leon on the outside without getting a finger laid on them.

Re: Chalmers and Lowe the conspiracy : Wed May 10, 2017 12:25 pm  

question for you Nothus, as you seem pretty observant. How does Keyes rate behind a beaten Bulls pack compared to Luke Gale, what seems a lifetime ago?

Re: Chalmers and Lowe the conspiracy : Wed May 10, 2017 12:34 pm  

martinwildbull wrote:

question for you Nothus, as you seem pretty observant. How does Keyes rate behind a beaten Bulls pack compared to Luke Gale, what seems a lifetime ago?

I rate Keyes, and he's still only young (21 I think?) which some people might forget. Halfbacks are in short measure these days so hopefully we can keep hold of him.

Difficult to make a comparison like you suggest. The pack Gale played behind was nowhere near as bad a state as the club is in right now.

I wish there was somewhere keeping decent statistics of players in this division so that we could analyse performances in more detail, it frustrates me constantly that nobody seems to give a sh*t about RL outside of SL.
But I'm fairly certain that Keyes currently has more tries and try assists for Bradford than Pryce and Lilley combined.

I'd use the Halifax game as an example. As bad as things were, literally every positive piece of play that we did came from Keyes in some form or other.

[Bullseye]

Re: Chalmers and Lowe the conspiracy : Wed May 10, 2017 12:47 pm  

I rate Keyes too.

I expect the coaching staff at the club keep stats on other players in the division. The academy do it for all youth players and all the players in the Bradford service area at different community clubs.

Re: Chalmers and Lowe the conspiracy : Wed May 10, 2017 12:52 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

I rate Keyes too.

I expect the coaching staff at the club keep stats on other players in the division. The academy do it for all youth players and all the players in the Bradford service area at different community clubs.

Yeah I'm sure they do. It would be nice if the rfl could bother doing something similar to the stats they keep on SL players though.