: Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:55 am  

Roofaldo wrote:

No it can't. The club MUST do something now before we slip any further. But without knowing exactly what the root cause of all this is there's no way of saying what the right solution (if there is one) would be

Exactly

So bloody frustrating, isn't it?

: Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:52 am  

There is option 3) The players are not good enough to consistently play the way they are coached.

Seems to me that its basically a recruitment rather than a coaching problem. If you continue to recruit inconsistent players (Solomna, Platt, Jeffries, Sykes etc) you get inconsistent performances.

: Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:26 am  

Cibaman wrote:

There is option 3) The players are not good enough to consistently play the way they are coached.

Seems to me that its basically a recruitment rather than a coaching problem. If you continue to recruit inconsistent players (Solomna, Platt, Jeffries, Sykes etc) you get inconsistent performances.

As i stated earlier, players like the aforementioned were consistent performers at previous clubs. It doesn't take a genius.

: Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:29 am  

Sexual Deviant wrote:

As i stated earlier, players like the aforementioned were consistent performers at previous clubs. It doesn't take a genius.

That's not what the Wakey fans told us about those we signed from them...

: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:50 am  

Cibaman wrote:

There is option 3) The players are not good enough to consistently play the way they are coached.

Seems to me that its basically a recruitment rather than a coaching problem. If you continue to recruit inconsistent players (Solomna, Platt, Jeffries, Sykes etc) you get inconsistent performances.

That probably is a part of the problem.

The confidence factor and losing becoming "habit" must also be starting to take effect.

These are obvious things looking from the outside in though aren't they?
It is the deeper rooted, covered problems I (and the rest of you) want to know about.

: Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:48 am  

kiJ wrote:

'paper thin squad lacking in confidence,quality' is because of the salary cap!

Granted there are winners and losers in all sports, but I would much rather see Bradford get beaten playing well and with quality players on the pitch rather then getting battered 22 – 58. 30-40k a year will not attract quality players to the sport!

So your salary capped team is getting walloped by other salary capped teams because of the salary cap?

: Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:56 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

So your salary capped team is getting walloped by other salary capped teams because of the salary cap?

I've already pointed out early the teeny weeny logic errors in what he said.

And we have only been actually walloped twice so far - although I suspect few doubt it will be three times after Friday.

But if we are talking use of devices to...stretch the cap - like payment for image rights, use of offshoring, employee benefit trusts, the Singapore Sling - as well as the ability of some clubs players to secure massive external image rights payments - it would be interesting to see the comparison then?

: Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:04 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

But if we are talking use of devices to...stretch the cap - like payment for image rights, use of offshoring, employee benefit trusts, the Singapore Sling - as well as the ability of some clubs players to secure massive external image rights payments - it would be interesting to see the comparison then?

Meh - speculation as to which clubs use these and to what extent.

Anyway, if all of those things were permitted under the cap, then more fool those who didn't bother IMO.

: Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:06 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Meh - speculation as to which clubs use these and to what extent.

Anyway, if all of those things were permitted under the cap, then more fool those who didn't bother IMO.

And if all or some were not, then more fool those now having their collars felt by HMRC . . .

: Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:08 pm  

Anyway, back to the original topic . . .

Your team at the moment isn't exactly brimming with youngsters, throwing a couple in (a la Ainscough and Tomkins at wigan when the chips were down) isn't going to do them any harm.

It's a cop out as far as I'm concerned and rather than interpreting the "we're not playing as we're coached" line as a prompt to shift blame from the coach to the players, I would ask myself why the coach isn't able to get the players to listen to and act upon his instructions (which after all is his job).

I really like Steve Mac, but I think he's a little out of his depth. Someone made a very interesting point on here recently when they said it would be intriguing to hear an (honest) assessment from the likes of Menzies and Morrisson.