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Re: marc green : Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:49 pm  
Noble & Honest wrote:
I think it will be very difficult for a successful appeal.
The company OK Bulls was making losses of £100000 a month to Ok"s resignation.

No attempt to cut costs was made.
Until the new ownership saga dragged for 5 months.
Indeed costs increased under Ok and revenue fell.

No proper books were kept which are fundamental to understanding of a companies current financial position.

The £1.2 million withheld from The club was known about from the outset of OK"s tenure.

Some points may have been recovered if Marc Green was to commit to pay all the creditors or even some as in the Wakefield comparison.
But with results and crowds of the past two weeks and championship staring in the face ....Would you?

No a proper balls up has been made and it would be ridiculous to try isolate single events (EG HMRC wind up petition mid January)as been an event under force majoeur.

The Bulls went into admin because.
1.The owner had run out of money
2.The owner blindly carried on regardless depite been aware he was losing 3600k a year in guaranteed income.
3.the owner increased costs (Robbie backroom staff )at atime he was struggling to pay existing contractual arrangements.Look at the creditors list.Some go back nearly 12 months without been paid.

The club was broke lock stock barrel.

Of course admin could have been avoided.
By recognizing the problems faced as early as September 2012 and acting accordingly.
The deluded are clutching at straws.

Its been a complete set of rubbish for over three years.
And no doubt I will be added to that list as fans desperatelt try to find justification and argument for a complete basket case.
I"ll get me coat


Apologies for my keyboard yet again.It was £600k a year lost in guaranteed income.Not 3600.

The RFL were also paying the wages for some time and had a request to put the club into admin within 6 weeks of OK resigning.Once some figures had been cobbled together from shambolic records.
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Re: marc green : Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:18 pm  
Lets just put this into perspective... since the first administration the Bulls have released/sold 28 players from its books, whilst only signing 10 (two of whom have since left - Carvell and Winterstein).

In's
Jamie Foster
Adam Sidlow
Gareth Carvell
Dale Ferguson
Luke George
Matty Blythe
Lee Gaskell
Adam Henry
Frank Winterstein
Jamal Fakir

Out
Tom Burgess
Kyle Briggs
Ben Jeffries
Ian Sibbit
Olivier Elima
Bryn Hargreaves
Jason Crookes
Craig Kopczak
Paul Sykes
Callum Windley
Karl Pryce
Phil Joseph
Alex Ball
Shaun Ainscough
Liam McAvoy
Cain Southernwood
Jobe Murphy
Elliott Whitehead
Keith Lulia
Jamie Langley
Michael Platt
Curtis Naughton
John Bateman
Heath L'Estrange
Frank Winterstein
Gareth Carvell
Jarrod Sammut
Nick Scruton

Before you start saying that most of them were not worth keeping, 16 of them are currently on the books at either a SL or NRL club and 2 of them play in the Championship.

Compare this to Wakefield who released/sold 10 players last year and replaced them with 8 more this season, I'm not seeing the cloth cutting that some suggest.
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Re: marc green : Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:39 pm  
bullinenemyland wrote:
Lets just put this into perspective... since the first administration the Bulls have released/sold 28 players from its books, whilst only signing 10 (two of whom have since left - Carvell and Winterstein).

In's
Jamie Foster
Adam Sidlow
Gareth Carvell
Dale Ferguson
Luke George
Matty Blythe
Lee Gaskell
Adam Henry
Frank Winterstein
Jamal Fakir

Out
Tom Burgess
Kyle Briggs
Ben Jeffries
Ian Sibbit
Olivier Elima
Bryn Hargreaves
Jason Crookes
Craig Kopczak
Paul Sykes
Callum Windley
Karl Pryce
Phil Joseph
Alex Ball
Shaun Ainscough
Liam McAvoy
Cain Southernwood
Jobe Murphy
Elliott Whitehead
Keith Lulia
Jamie Langley
Michael Platt
Curtis Naughton
John Bateman
Heath L'Estrange
Frank Winterstein
Gareth Carvell
Jarrod Sammut
Nick Scruton

Before you start saying that most of them were not worth keeping, 16 of them are currently on the books at either a SL or NRL club and 2 of them play in the Championship.

Compare this to Wakefield who released/sold 10 players last year and replaced them with 8 more this season, I'm not seeing the cloth cutting that some suggest.


That's staggering when you look at it like that. But still, not as hard done to as Wakefield, eh?
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Re: marc green : Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:45 pm  
Well then,that should well and truly put Wakefields made up "facts" to bed once and for all
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Re: marc green : Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:56 pm  
debaser wrote:
That's staggering when you look at it like that. But still, not as hard done to as Wakefield, eh?


And yet they still couldn't balance the books.

Agreed, staggering. Just staggering.
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Re: marc green : Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:08 pm  
bullinenemyland wrote:
Lets just put this into perspective... since the first administration the Bulls have released/sold 28 players from its books, whilst only signing 10 (two of whom have since left - Carvell and Winterstein).

In's
Jamie Foster
Adam Sidlow
Gareth Carvell
Dale Ferguson
Luke George
Matty Blythe
Lee Gaskell
Adam Henry
Frank Winterstein
Jamal Fakir

Out
Tom Burgess
Kyle Briggs
Ben Jeffries
Ian Sibbit
Olivier Elima
Bryn Hargreaves
Jason Crookes
Craig Kopczak
Paul Sykes
Callum Windley
Karl Pryce
Phil Joseph
Alex Ball
Shaun Ainscough
Liam McAvoy
Cain Southernwood
Jobe Murphy
Elliott Whitehead
Keith Lulia
Jamie Langley
Michael Platt
Curtis Naughton
John Bateman
Heath L'Estrange
Frank Winterstein
Gareth Carvell
Jarrod Sammut
Nick Scruton

Before you start saying that most of them were not worth keeping, 16 of them are currently on the books at either a SL or NRL club and 2 of them play in the Championship.

Compare this to Wakefield who released/sold 10 players last year and replaced them with 8 more this season, I'm not seeing the cloth cutting that some suggest.


Unfortuneately despite all the goings over comings the wages bill stayed the same......right up to salary cap.

Other clubs in difficulty will argue they did not pay up to cap as they recognized they would not have the income to pay up to cap.
Ok very proudly told fans from the off he would be paying up to cap.

But by August last year was struggling to and indeed the RFL had cause to intervene far far earlier than this year in January.
Of course the RFL know a great deal about the bulls insolvency situation.
They have continually in 3 years had to intervene at various times when players could not be paid.

The whole game needs to take one big long look in the mirror.
Look how the money men are behaving.The Doc gets rid of Nobby as success was not delivered inside a couple of minutes.Bit like the Chelsea man.

What I think even Bulls and Wakefioeld fans agree on is the rules and more importantly the penalties need to be clearer to take account of any eventualities that could arise in future.
Otherwise someone will always feel hard done to.
Like £1.2 million"s worth of unpaid bill people.
That could be nearer 32 million if Ok is believed or proved to have spent on the bulls behalf £600 grand the administrater can find no record of.

Shambles.
You would not run a school tuck shop as badly as this
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Re: marc green : Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:10 pm  
Noble & Honest wrote:
Unfortuneately despite all the goings over comings the wages bill stayed the same......right up to salary cap.

Other clubs in difficulty will argue they did not pay up to cap as they recognized they would not have the income to pay up to cap.
Ok very proudly told fans from the off he would be paying up to cap.

But by August last year was struggling to and indeed the RFL had cause to intervene far far earlier than this year in January.
Of course the RFL know a great deal about the bulls insolvency situation.
They have continually in 3 years had to intervene at various times when players could not be paid.

The whole game needs to take one big long look in the mirror.
Look how the money men are behaving.The Doc gets rid of Nobby as success was not delivered inside a couple of minutes.Bit like the Chelsea man.

What I think even Bulls and Wakefioeld fans agree on is the rules and more importantly the penalties need to be clearer to take account of any eventualities that could arise in future.
Otherwise someone will always feel hard done to.
Like £1.2 million"s worth of unpaid bill people.
That could be nearer 32 million if Ok is believed or proved to have spent on the bulls behalf £600 grand the administrater can find no record of.

Shambles.
You would not run a school tuck shop as badly as this


Apology again.£2 million not 31
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Re: marc green : Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:13 pm  
Noble & Honest wrote:
Apology again.£2 million not 31


Or even 32
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Re: marc green : Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:16 pm  
This is the kind of attention to detail that keeps me reading.
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Re: marc green : Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:22 pm  
We were never spending up to the cap under OK.

Don't care what more you say on this point, we were well short last year, even the workers in the 'tuck shop' would be able to tell you the same!
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