Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:50 pm  

Gave us a scare that first half.
Good luck in your remaining fixtures, would rather have Bradford in SL who bring a great following to Widnes than Salford who are only 30min up the road and only bring a taxi full.

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:05 pm  

zapperbull wrote:

Poor ref again!!

Joe Cobb is a poor ref, yes. But he's not the one missing tackles or playing the ball slowly or basically being lackadaisical in defence and unsure and uncommitted in attack.

That 2nd half was probably the worst half we've played all season. We're just not up to SL standard and if we make the £1 Million Game then I think we're going to come away from it disappointed

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:14 pm  

We were appalling in the second half. Can't remember us having a single PTB in their half the entire 40 minutes.

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:19 pm  

Went to see a game, instead had the misfortune to have to watch the incompetent buffoon that is Cobb. I've had a bellyful of that useless towat this season and the first half he served up his usual mystifying inconsistent slop, infuriating the fans, and totally, completely, ruining the game. Everyone had come to watch Bulls v Widnes. Yet by half time, the whole stadium was just roaring at the referee. He should watch the video of that first half and realise that a referee has the power to make a RL game watchable, and stay in the background, or to entirely ruin it, which he did.

I said before the game that to beat a SL club with no halfbacks was practically impossible and so it proved. On the day, given Widnes' total domination in the second half, maybe they would have been comfortable winners whatever, but sadly we didn't have any halfbacks, we didn't have our main man Gaskell when we needed him, and that's just how it goes.

We came out all right, if not quite at Salford game elevels, but didn't make the best of our initial stretches of possession. Sadly, our positional kicking was way off today. We hardly ever put in a decent kick, of any sort. And even managed to kick one out on the full. No excuse, but if your personnel don't have the ability to kick well, there you go.

But what did make a significant difference was the calling of key marginal forward passes against the Bulls, when every marginal forward pass of Widnes (and a few huge forward passes) were let go. Then there was the sheer weight of penalties, several of them dubious, but penalties were a one way street today. There was almost nothing Widnes could do, whether offside, laying on, obstruction, not making any attempt to PTB, everything was just waved through by the ludicrously incompetent Mr Cobb.

Cobb aside, the main difference in the two teams was that when either team was going forward (and in the first half, we won plenty of collisions and made plenty of ground) Widnes had the halfbacks to plague and torment the defense, keep us guessing, do darting runs or spin the ball out and looked very dangerous and sharp all afternoon. WHilst we were not too tired, we coped with it quite well, but in contrast, when we had possession, there was nothing much from halfback at all. No threat, no danger, no direction.

As the second hald degenerated we were done, though. I was very disappointed in just how badly we defended, and how tired we looked. As points difference may yet be important, we had plenty to play for, but some of the defence in the last 25 mins was really, really poor. It looked like a team that was ready to lean over an pull its pants down for the opposition. It was hard to watch. Yes, we were being totally outclassed, but that was largely because we had given up any attempt to shuttle back in a line and turn and get in Widens faces, and we ignored their creative players, letting them run around unhindered until they selected the next move.

The lesson for me is that despite thrashing Salford, we can't really expect to compete with the SL sides in these playoffs without halfbacks, as we can't pull performances like that out of a hat every week. Despite teh scoreline, I won';t say we couldn't have won today with Gaskell, although the energy Cobb took out of us in the first half is hard to counter, but with Gaskell, I expect we would have had a lot more filed position, a significant amount more possessio, and more attacking threat. Had we gone in at half time fairly level on energy as well as points, with a Gaskell, then the second half might have been more of a game. But if we wanted to make ourselves look inferior to the lower SL clubs, then in the second half we achieved that pretty well. Completely disorganised and amateurish.

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:22 pm  

2nd half was bad.

Just so much defending. Can't remember a penalty awarded to us or a single ptb the ball in their 40.

Widnes had good line speed. Addy didn't look like a half back at all today. Widnes rushed him and he struggled.

Widnes deserved the win and to win well. Solid side.

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:25 pm  

Brenio wrote:

Gave us a scare that first half.
Good luck in your remaining fixtures, would rather have Bradford in SL who bring a great following to Widnes than Salford who are only 30min up the road and only bring a taxi full.

If you believe that any championship side will make it to SL with this ill conceived format you are deluded, anyway good luck with your next games.

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:27 pm  

roofaldo2 wrote:

Joe Cobb is a poor ref, yes. But he's not the one missing tackles or playing the ball slowly or basically being lackadaisical in defence and unsure and uncommitted in attack.

That 2nd half was probably the worst half we've played all season. We're just not up to SL standard and if we make the £1 Million Game then I think we're going to come away from it disappointed

Granted we were poor in the 2nd half, however, if the ref had applied the same kind of penalty calls for both sides then we would not have lost faith the let the game go.

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:29 pm  

dixie wrote:

2nd half was bad.

Just so much defending. Can't remember a penalty awarded to us or a single ptb the ball in their 40.

Widnes had good line speed. Addy didn't look like a half back at all today. Widnes rushed him and he struggled.

Widnes deserved the win and to win well. Solid side.

They did indeed.

But addy isn't a halfback, never was, never will be. To his eternal credit he puts his hand up to play there and generally makes a decent fist of it but like you say, a SL team found him out, they had the brains and the speed to completely nullify him and that's the point, as the game wore on their halfbacks totally ran the show and embarrassed us, but we didn't have any halfbacks.

I also agree with roofaldo, tthe ref had alreqady ruiend the game and what would have been in the second half if Cobb hadn't made it irrelevant, we will never know. BUT with no halfbacks, on the day, I personally am sure we had no chance asit turned out. Too good for us. With Gaskell - maybe , would have made a big difference to have some threat when we had the ball.

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:34 pm  

I don't think Widnes were reliant on Cobb but he certainly helped them. The major discussion around me was whether he had "an agenda" and it certainly appeared so. It wasn't just incompetence and I don't think he is a Widnes fan. Yet again he appeared to steer a game involving the Bulls.
Saying all that we got what we deserved which makes it all the harder to fathom what happened 2 weeks ago. We weren't even valiant losers today. I presume todays Widnes are a better example of Super League than Salford were and we are miles away.

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:38 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

They did indeed.

But addy isn't a halfback, never was, never will be. To his eternal credit he puts his hand up to play there and generally makes a decent fist of it but like you say, a SL team found him out, they had the brains and the speed to completely nullify him and that's the point, as the game wore on their halfbacks totally ran the show and embarrassed us, but we didn't have any halfbacks.

I also agree with roofaldo, tthe ref had alreqady ruiend the game and what would have been in the second half if Cobb hadn't made it irrelevant, we will never know. BUT with no halfbacks, on the day, I personally am sure we had no chance asit turned out. Too good for us. With Gaskell - maybe , would have made a big difference to have some threat when we had the ball.

I probably should have added that whilst Addy is a very good player, he is not a half and is clearly trying his best. If Gaskell is back next week i'd move addy to 13.

I still felt we had a chance today, as much as i did against Salford. The announcement of Cobb yesterday did dent my confidence about how good our chance was today.