Re: Fev match thread : Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:16 pm  

Errol Stock wrote:

I saw

Lauaki only playing 10 mins either side of half time, just like last year.

O’Brien playing the whole game without a rest, just like last year.

The forwards of a part time team boss the middle of the field with more aggression and enthusiasm than us, just like last year.

Far too much ball given away early in the tackle count trying to score from every set of six in their half, just like last year.

We won, unlike like year.

Re: Fev match thread : Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:18 pm  

Bull Mania wrote:

Just seen a video on Twitter of him putting Chase into the middle of next week. Two tries and set one up. Not a bad debut. TBF I think our backline is pretty strong, would have been nice to keep him to develop but I don't think he would have displaced any of the ones who played on Sunday. Seeing him though, bit annoying he didn't get more of an opportunity last year. But that's was the story for us last year. Anyway, him playing for Batley Sunday benefited us more than him just being on our bench

I've just watched his hit on the New Zealand thug Rangi Chase, brought a smile to my face

Re: Fev match thread : Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:21 pm  

Watch this, old cock

Re: Fev match thread : Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:19 am  

Without reading 6 pages, largely because I can't be bothered, I may repeat what others have said, but hey ho, I'll give my thoughts anyway.

Sidlow, immense. The bloke has come on so much since we signed him. If he plays like that every game, nobody will be unhappy.

Mathers did as well as can be expected for a bloke who hasn't trained in so long. Looked solid in first half, made one beauty of a try saving tackle and generally did ok. Yes, he was blowing out of his 'arris by the end, but that was to be expected, and he certainly wasn't the only one. I was kind of surprised we didn't have a Williams or Thomas on the bench to cover for that. If he gets back to full fitness, he is definitely the best fullback currently on our books.

Kavanagh going off was a huge blow, especially if he's out for some time. If we could have Clough, Sidlow & Kavanagh all fit, it gives us 3 genuinely quality props with the others competing for that 4th spot and getting dropped if they don't perform. It would be a shame for one or more to be injured all season.

Lauaki, well what can you say? So much for we'll see the best of him. Although I have to question the tactics when Lauaki and Jonny Walker were both removed with 3 minutes gone into the second half (I checked the clock because it seemed quick). What is the point of 15 minutes rest, and then playing for 3 minutes before being subbed? What a complete waste of interchanges, especially when you're down a prop already.

Re: Fev match thread : Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:02 pm  

I don't know whether this has any impact on Jimmy's decision making when it comes to substitutions, but I noticed many times last season that when Clough and Sidlow were hauled off, it has a huge impact on the rest of the team. The forwards start losing collisions, we look a less physical and imposing side and lose an awful lot of momentum. It's almost as if Clough and Sidlow are the grandfathers of our team - their experience and cool heads make a noticeable difference to everyone they're playing with. At times when we are only one or two scores behind, it is not uncommon in rugby league to see quick-fire tries that lose us the game. The replacement props are literally that far behind those two that it's almost critical we keep them on the field. Until one of the other lads steps up, and to be honest Cavanagh and Walker are looking promising (yet to see Clark), then I think these short spells are going to continue for now.

[Bullseye]

Re: Fev match thread : Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:20 pm  

Good points.

The quality in props does drop of remarkably after Sidlow and Clough go off which is perhaps why we invested in Kavanagh and Walker.

The policy of giving Lauaki about 5-10mins seems to be a copy of Brian McDermott’s policy at the Rhinos with Ian Kirke who used to warm the bench, come on for 10 mins to give Peacock a rest and then get hauled off again. Kirke was another who looked like Tarzan but played like Jane.

Kirke was probably on a low salary compared with the other forwards at Leeds so “did a job”. I’d have thought Lauaki was one of our higher earners given his pedigree of playing for clubs like Wigan and Hull so I’m not sure about this theory.

We do need Clough, Sidlow, Kavanagh and Walker/Clark to be fit when the big games come up.

Re: Fev match thread : Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:22 pm  

Drust wrote:

I don't know whether this has any impact on Jimmy's decision making when it comes to substitutions, but I noticed many times last season that when Clough and Sidlow were hauled off, it has a huge impact on the rest of the team. The forwards start losing collisions, we look a less physical and imposing side and lose an awful lot of momentum. It's almost as if Clough and Sidlow are the grandfathers of our team - their experience and cool heads make a noticeable difference to everyone they're playing with. At times when we are only one or two scores behind, it is not uncommon in rugby league to see quick-fire tries that lose us the game. The replacement props are literally that far behind those two that it's almost critical we keep them on the field. Until one of the other lads steps up, and to be honest Cavanagh and Walker are looking promising (yet to see Clark), then I think these short spells are going to continue for now.

I think you're not far off, but it's purely down to quality I would say. Sidlow & Clough were head and shoulders above the other props last year in terms of everything. Minutes on the field, quality, impact, everything. From what I've seen of Kavanagh, I do think he can be around their level, but I would be surprised if Walker was. The good thing about our situation though is that providing people are fit, you don't have that clear gulf in quality between the "next best" and those challenging. Last year, Crossley & Lauaki weren't going to get dropped because the next option was Fleming, who was even worse. This year, you've got likes of Jonny Walker and Mitch Clark after those top 3, who might offer a bit more competition for Crossley & Lauaki and mean you have to play well to get in the 17 now.

Re: Fev match thread : Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:22 pm  

HamsterChops wrote:

I think you're not far off, but it's purely down to quality I would say. Sidlow & Clough were head and shoulders above the other props last year in terms of everything. Minutes on the field, quality, impact, everything. From what I've seen of Kavanagh, I do think he can be around their level, but I would be surprised if Walker was. The good thing about our situation though is that providing people are fit, you don't have that clear gulf in quality between the "next best" and those challenging. Last year, Crossley & Lauaki weren't going to get dropped because the next option was Fleming, who was even worse. This year, you've got likes of Jonny Walker and Mitch Clark after those top 3, who might offer a bit more competition for Crossley & Lauaki and mean you have to play well to get in the 17 now.

I think the situation with Flemming is that he's a young lad who needs the game time to actually progress. I mean, look at O'Brien after playing nearly a full season as the only only hooker on the field. He's come on leaps and bounds when you compare him to Halafifi who barely got a look in last year and looked a bit lost during the games he did play as he didn't have the on field experience that O'Brien had earned through the year. But if his route into the first team is blocked by a player who can't do 10 minutes with a 15 minute sit down in the middle without looking knackered but still gets picked week in and week out then that's going to have a detrimental effect on the lad's development.

Re: Fev match thread : Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:25 pm  

roofaldo2 wrote:

I think the situation with Flemming is that he's a young lad who needs the game time to actually progress. I mean, look at O'Brien after playing nearly a full season as the only only hooker on the field. He's come on leaps and bounds when you compare him to Halafifi who barely got a look in last year and looked a bit lost during the games he did play as he didn't have the on field experience that O'Brien had earned through the year. But if his route into the first team is blocked by a player who can't do 10 minutes with a 15 minute sit down in the middle without looking knackered but still gets picked week in and week out then that's going to have a detrimental effect on the lad's development.

While I see your point, I'm not convinced it applies to Fleming. He got some half decent game time in a few matches last year and did absolutely nothing. Not even glimpses of anything for me.

He looks destined to be another Chris Feather. Huge bloke with no impact whatsoever. You can be as big as you want, but if you don't use it, it's wasted.

Re: Fev match thread : Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:30 pm  

Only slightly off topic but affected me for the Fev game, anybody know if we'll be using the Richard Dunn parking as last year? Closed on Sunday.....