[Bullseye]

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:10 pm  

ridlerbull wrote:

Hmmm. But presumably the RFL will give the licence to *anyone* at this point who says they will fulfil fixtures and play at Odsal. It's at the end of the season when we get relegated, there is no money, and it's easier just to let it die than continue to flog this dead horse when we are completely toast. The one consolation will be to see fans of various minor clubs attempt to use that as further evidence of favouritism.

Good to know that even at that stage we'll still be a bigger club than them.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:10 pm  

tigertot wrote:

If you are a potential owner, whether one of those who made a previous bid or someone new, what is the down side of forming on a new club compared to taking on the debt-ridden club, apart from possibly no players? Presumably you can negotiate new contracts for staff, facilities, ground etc, without inheriting having any historic bills?

I'd say the down side for any new owner is that they're probably going to lose a shed load of money if they give it a go.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:11 pm  

Bully_Boxer wrote:

I suspect, a supporters Trust. But that's only my guess and I'd be surprised if sufficient numbers have an appetite for parting with more cash, certainly right now.

For some reason I'm not convinced that Lamb/Irvine are the frontrunners. Are they one of the two consortia that the RFL were willing to deal with? My brain is fried by recent events. However, using Mick as a mouthpiece smacks of amateurism, in spite of how well Lamb might talk the talk.

[Bullseye]

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:12 pm  

Bully_Boxer wrote:

I suspect, a supporters Trust. But that's only my guess and I'd be surprised if sufficient numbers have an appetite for parting with more cash, certainly right now.

Too bloody right. After losing season ticket money in many cases I think the idea of supporters putting in cash is delusion. That idea might have worked in 2012 but not now.

I'm certainly not convinced by Lamb. But same goes for Irvine and Chalmers. Great talkers though.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:14 pm  

ridlerbull wrote:

For some reason I'm not convinced that Lamb/Irvine are the frontrunners. Are they one of the two consortia that the RFL were willing to deal with? My brain is fried by recent events. However, using Mick as a mouthpiece smacks of amateurism, in spite of how well Lamb might talk the talk.

Lamb comes across as another Marc Green in every sense. Doesn't seem to have a whole lot of money but talks a very good game and could talk a fish out of water. I would love him to prove me wrong, but I don't see him doing anything other than making the fans pay for everything or going straight down the toilet again.

The fact Gledhill is so far up the guy's booty he can tell what he had for his tea last night, just makes me even more doubtful of his abilities.

[Bulliac]

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:15 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

Then I'd suggest now is the right time to get it started again , do that and I'll chuck a tenner in , not much I know but if you can get something going its a start

I was formerly on the BOD at Leigh ( 2002/2006 ) , I left when no longer in a position to support the club , my wife then took over as LISA secretary , so I got less involved , she got more involved

Recently membership has dropped of ( although we did see a jump in 2011 ish when the crap hit the fan ) and the club and committee have talked about ways of increasing the members , but basically a club only sees a rise when the club is in crisis

I'd say currently you are in crisis , now would be a good time IMO

It's correct to say that bisa no longer exists but, though there was no direct connection, Bullbuilder is the son of bisa and those running it have already said they don't have the time, money or expertise required.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:15 pm  

From what I have read, this "compromise" from the RFL to stick "New Co Bulls" in the Championship is purely not to mess up their league structure with 4 weeks to go until kick off, however it is a complete non starter for various reason.

Whoever takes over will have to fund a club that looks doomed to relegation from the start for a full season with little to no income. Fans who have had their fingers burnt by Green's season tickets won't pay again. Sponsors who have been burnt by Green are unlikely to invest money again. Creditors who have been burnt by Green are unlikely to offer services again, so most things will be cash up front.

Based on the above, the RFL are basically putting the "New Co" into a position where it is doomed to fail from the start and it's basically making the "New Co" being reliant on someone pouring money in which will only lead to what has happened 3 times already.

This club if it is to work needs to start off as being self suffient from day 1. The deal on the table as it stands looks after only 1 set of people, the RFL. It ensures their fixture list isn't ruined, it fills their day out at the seaside and it ensures that they have a tenant for Odsal. It also ensures history repeating itself another few years down the line.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:15 pm  

ridlerbull wrote:

For some reason I'm not convinced that Lamb/Irvine are the frontrunners. Are they one of the two consortia that the RFL were willing to deal with? My brain is fried by recent events. However, using Mick as a mouthpiece smacks of amateurism, in spite of how well Lamb might talk the talk.

Was the Lamb consortium one of the parties wanting to buy back the Odsal lease? Genuine question as I don't know.

Surely any party seriously considering paying a seven figure sum to the RFL for the lease at such short notice, and also making an offer to creditors (even a lousy one) must also be interested now that the prospect is a completely debt free new start?
Those previously interested in buying the lease would now become the frontrunners - if they're still up for it.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:15 pm  

ridlerbull wrote:

For some reason I'm not convinced that Lamb/Irvine are the frontrunners. Are they one of the two consortia that the RFL were willing to deal with? My brain is fried by recent events. However, using Mick as a mouthpiece smacks of amateurism, in spite of how well Lamb might talk the talk.

Who knows, but it seems clear these has been plenty of dialogue between Lamb and the RFL throughout. But yes, you'd assume that the original bid that was accepted by the RFL and then rejected by the admin might well be the front runner. I'm uneasy about Lamb as well but having Irvine on board might well be an attractive proposition. Perhaps a few people working together might be possible now the RFL are speaking to potential owners?

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:16 pm  

Nothus wrote:

I'd say the down side for any new owner is that they're probably going to lose a shed load of money if they give it a go.

At Odsal anybody will be burning cash , but being in existence with the threat of walking away is probably your best bet of getting something resolved