[Bullseye]

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:18 pm  

BD20 wrote:

From what I have read, this "compromise" from the RFL to stick "New Co Bulls" in the Championship is purely not to mess up their league structure with 4 weeks to go until kick off, however it is a complete non starter for various reason.

Whoever takes over will have to fund a club that looks doomed to relegation from the start for a full season with little to no income. Fans who have had their fingers burnt by Green's season tickets won't pay again. Sponsors who have been burnt by Green are unlikely to invest money again. Creditors who have been burnt by Green are unlikely to offer services again, so most things will be cash up front.

Based on the above, the RFL are basically putting the "New Co" into a position where it is doomed to fail from the start and it's basically making the "New Co" being reliant on someone pouring money in which will only lead to what has happened 3 times already.

This club if it is to work needs to start off as being self suffient from day 1. The deal on the table as it stands looks after only 1 set of people, the RFL. It ensures their fixture list isn't ruined, it fills their day out at the seaside and it ensures that they have a tenant for Odsal. It also ensures history repeating itself another few years down the line.

Exactly this ^

[Bulliac]

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:20 pm  

HamsterChops wrote:

Because the RFL are insisting on the rush so their Blackpool shindig doesn't get messed up.

The 'Bash' is already an aberration to the season, so having one team short hardly makes any difference. We're due to play HKR anyway, so I'm not certain our actual attendance will make any noticeable difference to the result. Give 'em the points, they'd get them anyway.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:20 pm  

Why are they even talking to men with no money?

No funding to speak of, (and even that may be deducted for a year as the going-rate penalty); no sponsorship money; very little season ticket money; and the full 100% costs of starting from absolute scratch and having a brand new company and full club setup up and running within 4 weeks, with no money to pay any staff or players.

Is it just me?

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:21 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

At Odsal anybody will be burning cash , but being in existence with the threat of walking away is probably your best bet of getting something resolved

Yep. This just feels like the start of the same exact cycle as before.
Odsal is the key to all of this, so it irks me when Bradford MPs and councillors show such faux outrage and disbelief when we keep going t*ts up. Go back and look at the figures you numpties, there was a good reason why you wanted shut of the Odsal upkeep so badly.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:22 pm  

Unless the RFL know something we don't and there is someone waiting to pump some money into a fresh venture. I can't see it, but it's the only thing that makes any sense to me at least.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:23 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

It's correct to say that bisa no longer exists but, though there was no direct connection, Bullbuilder is the son of bisa and those running it have already said they don't have the time, money or expertise required.

As someone who was directly involved with setting up Bullbuilder in the first place, I can say confidently it had no link to BISA at all (I was on the BISA board too briefly FWIW).

When BullBuilder was set up, it was purely and solely to do with doing something positive for the club when it was down in the dumps and investing in the youth. Discussions were of course held about having a controlling interest in the club, but it was totally and unanimously thrown out by all involved. As someone has mentioned on here before, for BullBuilder to even think about getting involved in the running of a club, it's constitution would need changing and the members would need to vote on that happening.

Noises I've seen from the current BullBuilder board seem to echo the sentiments of the original group. The desire is not there to run the club, not to mention the time, expertise and the money isn't there either. They seem very much still all about investing in the academy and nothing more.

Where that leaves them if a new club decides to scrap the academy, we don't know. I have confidence in the Chair Paul though who I know from my time there, and I'm sure the other board members are of a similar ilk to make the correct calls.

Obviously in situations like this, there's always going to be a call for any existing Trusts to get involved. But I think it's wide of the mark when it's suggested BullBuilder are the ones to do that. I personally think if fan involvement is going to happen (and I consider it quite unlikely), I think it'll be via a new group. Hopefully not one affiliated with any other existing groups like Bulls Banter or the BBSG (whatever they're called) who don't seem to me to have the correct skillset to offer anything of real value.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:25 pm  

Bully_Boxer wrote:

Unless the RFL know something we don't and there is someone waiting to pump some money into a fresh venture. I can't see it, but it's the only thing that makes any sense to me at least.

See my previous post - we supposedly had parties who came to an agreement with the rfl over the lease. So clearly some cash to spend.
Now that the debt is gone, isn't the only stumbling block for those parties out of the way?

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:26 pm  

Well there is nobody willing or able to pump in money, and so this mickey mouse "plan" floated by the RFL in a moment of madness can't get off the ground.

Maybe they could quickly rustle up a 70s concert with Rick Astley (whose star is back on the rise), if that made as many millions as the last one, we'd be all right.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:28 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Why are they even talking to men with no money?

No funding to speak of, (and even that may be deducted for a year as the going-rate penalty); no sponsorship money; very little season ticket money; and the full 100% costs of starting from absolute scratch and having a brand new company and full club setup up and running within 4 weeks, with no money to pay any staff or players.

Is it just me?

No it's not just you, a fair few of us have seen this for what it is. RFL securing a few more months rent and hoping their fixtures can be completed by a skeleton team to ensure next season when the "New Co" dies they can simply replace them with an amateur side in L1 without any problems.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:28 pm  

There will be no bidders with rugby at heart with any money. There may be bidders with land and development opportunities at heart with some money. Neither scenario will end well.