Re: Toronto Wolfpack 2017 : Tue May 03, 2016 12:05 pm  

I have to wear shorts, because the Speedos haven't been built yet that'll take the job on!

Re: Toronto Wolfpack 2017 : Tue May 03, 2016 7:52 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: If you can produce research that identifies how much of the small performance difference relates to circadian rhythms as opposed to those sort of obvious factors, I'd like to see it. Google "circadian rhythm cognitive performance" and you will find loads of studies going back 40+ years. This is all well established. They run the same tests on people at different times of the day and compare the results. http://hstrial-jzadina.homestead.com/Rhythms_of_Mental_Performance_0_1_.pdf Nice graph on page 5 of the pdf (numbered 11 on the page) about alertness that would be relevant. I couldn't find a clear one on physical performance that didn't also involve travel, I guess because it is more difficult to do comparative tests hour by hour.

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: If you can produce research that identifies how much of the small performance difference relates to circadian rhythms as opposed to those sort of obvious factors, I'd like to see it. Google "circadian rhythm cognitive performance" and you will find loads of studies going back 40+ years. This is all well established. They run the same tests on people at different times of the day and compare the results. http://hstrial-jzadina.homestead.com/Rhythms_of_Mental_Performance_0_1_.pdf Nice graph on page 5 of the pdf (numbered 11 on the page) about alertness that would be relevant. I couldn't find a clear one on physical performance that didn't also involve travel, I guess because it is more difficult to do comparative tests hour by hour.

Re: Toronto Wolfpack 2017 : Tue May 03, 2016 11:18 pm  

Yes, I know there is no meaningful evidence of any significant effect on performance levels in pro sport. Kind of my point.

Re: Toronto Wolfpack 2017 : Tue May 03, 2016 11:27 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I have to wear shorts, because the Speedos haven't been built yet that'll take the job on!

You'll be fine over here FA they have one size fits all Budgie Smugglers! but I have never tried them

Re: Toronto Wolfpack 2017 : Wed May 04, 2016 1:24 am  

Mrs Relic says I am at my physical peak in the mornings cannot get more definite evidence than that

Re: Toronto Wolfpack 2017 : Wed May 04, 2016 8:55 am  

Northernrelic wrote:

Mrs Relic says I am at my physical peak in the mornings cannot get more definite evidence than that

Meh, I reckon she's just another of them Bradford glory hunters

Re: Toronto Wolfpack 2017 : Wed May 04, 2016 6:18 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Yes, I know there is no meaningful evidence of any significant effect on performance levels in pro sport. Kind of my point.

So I take it from this you do not believe alertness, speed of thought, or decision making effect a teams chances of winning a game? It is only physical fitness that matters? There is plenty of evidence in the links that cognitive function varies depending on the time of day.

Anyway the original point was this, your incredulity that a flight to Toronto would have any impact on a persons body clock.

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I would assume that everyone would agree that there's no reason why a player's body clock would perform any worse at an 8pm Uk kickoff than it would at a 3pm UK kickoff and that's a body clock differential of 5 hours.

So let's cut out the bollox.

It does.

Northernrelic wrote:

Mrs Relic says I am at my physical peak in the mornings cannot get more definite evidence than that

The answer to the "What's the story morning glory?" question is in there too...