: Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:19 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

Btw, I thought you were a Bull`s fan Asim? You know, moderator on RLFans and all that?

I have never been a Bulls fan, I was a Bradford Northern fan who had my club stolen from me, and it is unnecessary to be a fan to moderate a messageboard, I have tendered my resignation as I have said, it is make your mind up time as far as I am concerned, however the network is desperate to keep its top people on board, however I shall not be swayed.

The Bulls peaked over the last few years, top crowds didn't break 15,000 much and they are hardly in the sporting conciousness of the general man in the street and it certainly didn't bring any great benefit to the city.

Notice how the OSV has been in the planning stages for a long time and the only time it has made any sort of national media is once City's name gets attached to it? That says it all.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:33 pm  

Speaking honestly here and I am only one person and one that does not have money falling out of my booty but is not a Football fan simply because I get bored watching but that is me and my choice. We save as a family to be able to get the best deal which is a season ticket to watch the Bulls as we have done for a lot of years now.

Up until reading some of the posts on this thread I honestly thought yes, if it helps both City and the Bulls have not only a stadium fit for purpose but all the associated training facilities and corporate bits and pieces needed these days then fair do's, a joint stadium with both the Bulls and City having equal rights and with nobody feeling a lodger would be a good thing for Sport in this City.

However having read the thread I would like to just add my twopenneth for what it is worth

I've even spoken to a number of City fans that used to be Bulls fans but have taken advantage of the Season Ticket prices to watch Football instead, if you enjoy watching Football then so be it I have no problem in fact I'd say got for it. It seems that these same people, in the interest of their own Club, would have no problem with a move to a new Stadium in the City with equal rights and a possible deal which might mean they could watch both Rugby League and Football, who knows what kind of deals could be in the wider scheme of things.

What I do have an issue with is Football fans here whon also say they are Rugby League fans on what is a Rugby League message board for the Bradford Bulls doing exactly what they accuse the Bulls fans of doing, basically whining and complaining about unfair treatment. Odsal however you look at it has never been a fit for purpose stadium for the 21st century under the Council and it was a canny move for the Council to sell it to the the Bulls, it saved them money long term. Despite the money spent on Odsal already it was always going to cost a lot more than 4 million to bring the Stadium up to the standard needed.

Now we have a situation where a lot of outside money and partners has been found and without knowing the full in's and out's it appears a revamp of a lot of badly needed Sports facilities could be built that could secure the future of not only the Bulls but of Football and many other Sports in this City which are neglected at the moment. Surely this would warrant some investment by the local Council with the bulk being picked up by private investors and the Clubs involved and their partners would be a good thing.

To say however that the Bradford Bulls are basicaly second fiddle to the City's Football team is just a bit hard to swallow, as for shirt recognition I've been in Australia and France and funnily enough the Bulls logo has been recognised. What is fact is that Football is a far more money hungry Sport, it needs more money to function and unlike RL their is no salary cap to keep things equal between teams.

I do not hate Football, I do not dislike Football fans I just don't have the interest in watching it personally. That does not mean I will vilify another Sport and there are more Sports at stake here than just RL and Football. That is the important thing and not the running down of one Sport over another which has been a little bit of a feature on this thread

These as I said are my thoughts and no doubt some flak will follow this as it has others but we are are entitled to our opinions and on this forum its from a Rugby League fans perspective.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:40 pm  

Asim wrote:

I have never been a Bulls fan, I was a Bradford Northern fan who had my club stolen from me, and it is unnecessary to be a fan to moderate a messageboard, I have tendered my resignation as I have said, it is make your mind up time as far as I am concerned, however the network is desperate to keep its top people on board, however I shall not be swayed.

The Bulls peaked over the last few years, top crowds didn't break 15,000 much and they are hardly in the sporting conciousness of the general man in the street and it certainly didn't bring any great benefit to the city.

Notice how the OSV has been in the planning stages for a long time and the only time it has made any sort of national media is once City's name gets attached to it? That says it all.

Asim, sorry but you were a Bradford Northern Fan but your not a Bulls Fan, it would explain a few things but would you like to explain how Northern was stolen from you. It might help us understand the situation a bit as some of us are struggling?

[Bulliac]

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:14 pm  

Gill J wrote:

Asim, sorry but you were a Bradford Northern Fan but your not a Bulls Fan, it would explain a few things but would you like to explain how Northern was stolen from you. It might help us understand the situation a bit as some of us are struggling?

I`m puzzled by that too. I was a Northern fan for many years before the Bulls but I can`t see how I`ve been robbed of anything. in truth the ups and downs of the last few years have been an exciting roller coaster ride which I`ve enjoyed immensely.

I can go back to being a child watching Trevor Foster and Joe Phillips, through the resurrection to Terry Price and Sir Keith Mumby, Tommy Smales, Ellery Hanley, Jeff Grayshon et al. I see no real difference ( I know the game has changed, oh how it`s changed but it changed long before the Bulls too); Bulls is just another name for Northern, Super League is just the first division; vive la difference!

I remember the thrill of seeing a young Keith Mumby (before he was knighted ) and knowing he was going to be a really great player; it`s exactly the same watching Sam Burgess today knowing that he too will grace the game as one of its greatest exponents.

It`s disappointing to know that someone feels disenchanted , for some reason, by some aspect of the game, because personally, far from being robbed, Northern and Bulls and the game of rugby league have given me far more than I can ever repay.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:58 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

I`m puzzled by that too. I was a Northern fan for many years before the Bulls but I can`t see how I`ve been robbed of anything. in truth the ups and downs of the last few years have been an exciting roller coaster ride which I`ve enjoyed immensely.

I can go back to being a child watching Trevor Foster and Joe Phillips, through the resurrection to Terry Price and Sir Keith Mumby, Tommy Smales, Ellery Hanley, Jeff Grayshon et al. I see no real difference ( I know the game has changed, oh how it`s changed but it changed long before the Bulls too); Bulls is just another name for Northern, Super League is just the first division; vive la difference!

I remember the thrill of seeing a young Keith Mumby (before he was knighted ) and knowing he was going to be a really great player; it`s exactly the same watching Sam Burgess today knowing that he too will grace the game as one of its greatest exponents.

It`s disappointing to know that someone feels disenchanted , for some reason, by some aspect of the game, because personally, far from being robbed, Northern and Bulls and the game of rugby league have given me far more than I can ever repay.

. . . . and that brought a tear of remembrance for past hero's', family, friends and players, to mind too . . . .

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:35 pm  

Asim wrote:

I have never been a Bulls fan, I was a Bradford Northern fan

Whats in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet

: Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:25 am  

http://www.claretandbanter.co.uk/showthread.php?t=23455 1.30 pm Saturday March 7 (before Aldershot game) in bantamspast museum, above Surridge UpFront Sports. Chaired by David Pendleton, bantamspast museum. Panel: Terry Armstead, IDL White Abbey Branch Alan Carling, Bradford City Supporters Trust Darren 'Dazz' Clarke (tbc), City Gents Supporters Club Steve Gorringe, Shipley Bantams Mike Harrison, City Gent fanzine Nick Kitchen, Council Petitioner All City fans are welcome to come and talk about the Odsal Sports Village project, ground-sharing with the Bulls, stadium purchase, Council involvement with City etc. etc. Admission free. Tea and snacks at the UpFront cafe. Any City fans on here fancy going along and giving us a report?

http://www.claretandbanter.co.uk/showthread.php?t=23455 1.30 pm Saturday March 7 (before Aldershot game) in bantamspast museum, above Surridge UpFront Sports. Chaired by David Pendleton, bantamspast museum. Panel: Terry Armstead, IDL White Abbey Branch Alan Carling, Bradford City Supporters Trust Darren 'Dazz' Clarke (tbc), City Gents Supporters Club Steve Gorringe, Shipley Bantams Mike Harrison, City Gent fanzine Nick Kitchen, Council Petitioner All City fans are welcome to come and talk about the Odsal Sports Village project, ground-sharing with the Bulls, stadium purchase, Council involvement with City etc. etc. Admission free. Tea and snacks at the UpFront cafe. Any City fans on here fancy going along and giving us a report?

: Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:31 am  

Views seem to be pretty polarised on there. http://www.claretandbanter.co.uk/showthread.php?t=23407

Views seem to be pretty polarised on there. http://www.claretandbanter.co.uk/showthread.php?t=23407

: Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:29 pm  

Ahh the Bradford Northern days, oh how i miss them! What with sack the board, all the players are crap, sack Fox he couldn't coach his way out of his green bay packers coat, Caisley knows nothing about RL and should sod off back to Leeds, selling Odsal and moving in at Valley Parade.....................oh hang on!

I will allways be a Northern fan till the day i die! and i will do the same with the Bulls, allthough it is'nt be with the same pride i had for Northern, its allways got me as tacky the bulls brand, even down to the bull badge, you couldnt beat the Bradford Coat of arms or the boars head!

20 years on and the same old craps being spouted de ja vu or what????

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:24 am  

Bulls chairman Peter Hood has been invited to Valley Parade tomorrow for another debate on the Odsal Sporting Village plans. City’s director of operations David Baldwin and Bradford councillors from all three main parties will also take part. The meeting is in the bantamspast museum at 1.30pm and fans are asked to arrive early because large numbers are expected.