: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:35 pm  

I agree with much that is being said in this thread, but not the reasoning behind Deacon's selection as captain. Personally, I think Deacon does organise the pack well: When we've had him playing our forwards seem to have dominated more. But that doesn't justify keeping him in the side. He may be a good organiser, but that isn't the only quality we need from a captain. Imo Morro would be a much better captain and in a few years Burgess -again imo- will be ready to take that step.

: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:53 pm  

Ewwenorfolk wrote:

I agree with much that is being said in this thread, but not the reasoning behind Deacon's selection as captain. Personally, I think Deacon does organise the pack well: When we've had him playing our forwards seem to have dominated more. But that doesn't justify keeping him in the side. He may be a good organiser, but that isn't the only quality we need from a captain. Imo Morro would be a much better captain and in a few years Burgess -again imo- will be ready to take that step.

: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:02 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Hmmm. Can we really presume what Deacs leadership qualities are like from the terraces? Obviously we can only speculate given that we're not on the field or close to the players.

This is something I've said before too.

From the terraces, you can only judge certain things. How much they appears to be motivating players behind the sticks, visibly b*llocking players etc. You don't see a lot of the things a captain would normally be expected to do, for example the subtle comments and the changing room stuff.

From the terraces it definitely looks like Deacon isn't much of a captain and that players like Morrison, Menzies & Lynch would be better suited. However a spectator is always going to struggle to see who is good captain material. This is one of those things that those within the club are FAR better qualified than us fans to talk about.

[Bullseye]

: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:15 pm  

There's only so many times a player or captain can dish out the bollockings on the field before he starts to get ignored. Same applies to coaches. The most successful ones get their point over without needing to look all shouty and animated. That kind of behaviour to me shows a lack of control and has elements of playing to the gallery.

Certainly there should be plenty of talk but it should be positive. For all we know Deacs could be doing all that.

Having said all that some recent matches have seen the crowd so quiet you can hear the players shouting at times.

: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:01 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

There's only so many times a player or captain can dish out the bollockings on the field before he starts to get ignored. Same applies to coaches. The most successful ones get their point over without needing to look all shouty and animated. That kind of behaviour to me shows a lack of control and has elements of playing to the gallery.

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People often seem to reckon that what is needed in various situations, is the so-called "hairdryer treatment", almighty bollockings and such like. Such ignorance makes me laugh. Whilst the very occasional blow-up or roasting might, just might, have some effect if truly rare - so the recipients genuinely didn't expect it coming - the thought that someone as tough as a rugby league player will go and play much better because someone shouted at him is actually risible, if you think about it.

Aggressive tantrums, while they may get it off the chest of the person having the hissy fit, are usually as effective as Basil Fawlty administering a jolly good thrashing to his stalled motor.

A coach above all needs the players' respect. Respect and faith in their ability, judgment and leadership. Pretty much the same goes for a captain. Constantly bawling your team out is just such a dumb idea, it's hard to believe anyone would think it works.

[Bullseye]

: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:05 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

People often seem to reckon that what is needed in various situations, is the so-called "hairdryer treatment", almighty bollockings and such like. Such ignorance makes me laugh. Whilst the very occasional blow-up or roasting might, just might, have some effect if truly rare - so the recipients genuinely didn't expect it coming - the thought that someone as tough as a rugby league player will go and play much better because someone shouted at him is actually risible, if you think about it.

Aggressive tantrums, while they may get it off the chest of the person having the hissy fit, are usually as effective as Basil Fawlty administering a jolly good thrashing to his stalled motor.

A coach above all needs the players' respect. Respect and faith in their ability, judgment and leadership. Pretty much the same goes for a captain. Constantly bawling your team out is just such a dumb idea, it's hard to believe anyone would think it works.

Agreed but TBF I don't see anyone on here bemoaning Deacon for not visibily bollocking anyone, just that it's difficult to see what a captain actually does from the terraces.

: Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:51 pm  

he isn't rubbish, he might not be as good as he used to be but hes a bit off form but you can't play well all the time and give him a break decs is a bull legend and is by far the bst goal kicker in super league

: Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:59 pm  

bull4lyf wrote:

he isn't rubbish, he might not be as good as he used to be but hes a bit off form but you can't play well all the time and give him a break decs is a bull legend and is by far the bst goal kicker in super league

He hasn't been on form for 3 years. It's time we looked elsewhere.

: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:45 pm  

bull4lyf wrote:

he isn't rubbish, he might not be as good as he used to be but hes a bit off form but you can't play well all the time and give him a break decs is a bull legend and is by far the bst goal kicker in super league

Are you stuck in a time warp?

: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:47 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Are you stuck in a time warp?

In fairness, he probably is the best goal kicker in the league, but he is nowhere near even the top 10 in-game kickers anymore.