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Cougar Park won't be getting a visit from me. It may be a shortish walk for me but I won't be able to see the action on the pitch for all the chips on shoulders blocking my view.


A master class in irony if ever there was. Do you not read this board?
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I strongly suggest the huge costs at Darlington are probably more to do with the 'management company', no doubt set up to run the stadium at a profit, than for any actual maintenance costs. It is a fair point to bear in mind though, as a management company would probably be involved in any re-build of Odsal.

To be honest, I can't remember Caisley ever holding anything remotely like a 'fans' forum', unless that was, perhaps, his term for board meetings. Maybe the £10m was a figure he quoted in the articles in the T&A where he berated fans for not turning up in sufficient numbers? In truth, I wouldn't like to say how much has been spent on the ground, probably the minimum which kept its licence, but the problem with Odsal has always been its sheer size and the fact is you could spend an awful lot, though maybe not £10m, and hardly notice when glancing round.


He held a couple circa 2001/01. I got the impression that they were really Abi Ekoku's idea, Caisley looked as if he would rather have been anywhere else and was seriously vexed off when any criticisms were made. Ekoku clearly saw them as a means of getting the fans to lobby MPs for the stadium redevelopment. Told us we should follow the example of Arsenal fans who had raised 40,000 signatures for a petition for their new stadium. The first one was held about the time that Ekoku appeared on Question Time.

Caisley reeled off a list of urgent repairs which he said would cost £10m. The main item was £2m for a new roof for the main stand as the existing roof was about to collapse. He made the claim as part of his justification for moving to VP.

It did seem to me that "Odsal's excessive maintenance costs" was really part of the strategy to obtain support for the new stadium and perhaps has just become accepted wisdom. The terraces aren't crumbling, there rarely seems to be any work going on at the ground.

If we can re-negotiate the rent when we are relegated I hope we can stay at Odsal. Its a huge ground for a Championship club but if the terraces could be mothballed and we just used the main stand would it be that much more expensive than the alternatives?

I think we might be able to survive relegation and we might be able to survive leaving Odsal, but not both.
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aj cougar wrote:
A master class in irony if ever there was. Do you not read this board?


According to your coach you can see 90% of the pitch from the car wash next to the ground. So at least we wont have to pay.

Might get wet though
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Beanherebefore wrote:
i think the bulls will survive outside of super league , lets face it we have more chance of getting to the championship grand final than the super league one at the moment . if we invest in a better players who knows we might get a trip to blackpool for the northern rail cup aswell ,as for a new ground ,we are in this position becouse we couldnt pay the bills ,wheres the money coming from for a new stadium the council ? get real :CRAZY:


Just one point there, the middle 8 in 2015 do not play for the championship final, and if we were in that position it would mean we finished below the 4th spot in Championship, which gives us the opportunity to in be in the final but from the 3rd 8 of the new set up!
Personally I say sod the championship final, lets be in the top 4 at the end of 2015!
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aj cougar wrote:
A master class in irony if ever there was. Do you not read this board?


Unfortunately I have to AJ.

I don't lump you in with many of your fellow Cougar fans so please don't confuse me with all my fellow Bulls fans.

I'm surprised my post got a response from you tbh. I was aiming it at others.
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Cibaman wrote:
Caisley reeled off a list of urgent repairs which he said would cost £10m. The main item was £2m for a new roof for the main stand as the existing roof was about to collapse. He made the claim as part of his justification for moving to VP.

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Iirc the work to the main stand roof was done before we moved back from Valley parade. Not sure if it was paid for by council as part of odsal settlement or we paid for it out of money we received for odsal settlement. Stand was going to be condemned if roof wasnt fixed.
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Just one point there, the middle 8 in 2015 do not play for the championship final, and if we were in that position it would mean we finished below the 4th spot in Championship, which gives us the opportunity to in be in the final but from the 3rd 8 of the new set up!
Personally I say sod the championship final, lets be in the top 4 at the end of 2015!


Afaik under new system no one plays for the championship grand final. Its awarded to the team that loses the 4th v 5th playoff. They are ranked no1 in the following years tier2 for purposes of central funding allocation, which is staggered dependent on previous seasons finishing position. If i recall provisional figures correctly central funding drops about 50k for each position as you drop down the table.

Bottom eight are playing to avoid relegation to championship 1. I think its a staight relegation and team finishing bottom don't have a playoff game against team finishing top of Championship 1 but not 100% sure.
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Afaik under new system no one plays for the championship grand final. Its awarded to the team that loses the 4th v 5th playoff. They are ranked no1 in the following years tier2 for purposes of central funding allocation, which is staggered dependent on previous seasons finishing position. If i recall provisional figures correctly central funding drops about 50k for each position as you drop down the table.

Bottom eight are playing to avoid relegation to championship 1. I think its a staight relegation and team finishing bottom don't have a playoff game against team finishing top of Championship 1 but not 100% sure.


that's ditto mate, how many of us do understand what's going on !!
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Iirc the work to the main stand roof was done before we moved back from Valley parade. Not sure if it was paid for by council as part of odsal settlement or we paid for it out of money we received for odsal settlement. Stand was going to be condemned if roof wasnt fixed.


I would be surprised if it cost £2m
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