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Re: Admin : Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:15 pm  
I'd have taken Marc Green's statement on board more readily if there'd been even a smidgeon of humility.

No recognition of mistakes made, bad signing policy, keeping Lowes as coach for too long, players not performing to their undoubted ability - and so on...

Yes, the abuse and mistruths are all wrong - but once again we have a statement that places the onus right back onto the long-suffering (and diminishing) supporters.
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Re: Admin : Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:18 pm  
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I'd have taken Marc Green's statement on board more readily if there'd been even a smidgeon of humility.

No recognition of mistakes made, bad signing policy, keeping Lowes as coach for too long, players not performing to their undoubted ability - and so on...

Yes, the abuse and mistruths are all wrong - but once again we have a statement that places the onus right back onto the long-suffering (and diminishing) supporters.

Why was it a bad signing policy. As individuals the players aren't bad they just don't work as a team.
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Re: Admin : Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:25 pm  
ifallwerelikemumby wrote:
The witch-hunt against Ferris particularly from some of the T&A forum muppets was just grounded in dislike of the guy and the club, not substance. Nobody other than those involved knows exactly who signed who.
But in the end what is not in doubt is that many signings have not worked out and hopefully lessons have been learned. A huge clear out is needed. Without any substance other than rumour I was told a certain prop forward was on £90000 a year for 15 mins work every once in a while! if some our players are or were on that amount then it should be relatively easy to save some money by getting rid if they are out of contract.
I agree with Green it is up to the supporters to keep the club afloat and hope the club can be more prudent with our money.
On a footnote does any body seriously believe Batleys wage bill is £150000 a year!!! This is a club who when announcing attendance figure against us last year brought howls of laughter from the crowd.

Batley budget can't of been £150k because they players was on a 5k bonus for winning on Sunday.
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Re: Admin : Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:56 pm  
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Why was it a bad signing policy. As individuals the players aren't bad they just don't work as a team.


Well, I was rather working on the understanding that we sign players to fit into a team...

If we sign players that aren't going to fit in to what we need as a team, then it kinda fits with the description of 'bad signing policy'
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Re: Admin : Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:47 pm  
[quote="RickyF1"]Batley budget can't of been £150k because they players was on a 5k bonus for winning on Sunday.[/quote]

Slightly more, but not much, plus match terms. As for the rumour of £5000 bonus for winning on Sunday, I would very much doubt it, but I suppose one never knows. No-one at the club has ever publicly made a statement regarding bonuses either recently or throughout the season. Not sure where that kind of money would come from. What the club do benefit from is an extremely successful independent group who raise money for signings, and an extremely successful scheme for supporters where they raise money that contributes directly to pay player's salaries.

What is without a doubt, our budget was significantly less than yours!
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Re: Admin : Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:52 pm  
So it wasn't Ferres that said we needed a SH.
And why is everyone so hung up on being FT. We've been FT for two years and the performances have got worse. Are Batley FT? Are Fev FT? Perhaps if we went part time we could then dangle a FT contract to the players to get the lazy bar stewards to put in a decent performance.
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Re: Admin : Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:04 pm  
Green for starters confirms what I have been saying, namely much as he said he wasn't the man to be bankrolling the club, nevertheless we have needed bankrolling as and when, and he has stepped in to do just that. Nobody is giving him credit for this, just like nobody gave Omar credit for doing his bollox in to try to keep the ship afloat. We can be an ungrateful lot.

I don't read it as having a go at the fans, just stating the position which should be obvious. Namely, his plan of yet another Championship season with a decent full time squad REQUIRES a goodly expenditure by the fans, and if as my poll suggests, 50% may not renew, then the remainder will not be enough to fund that plan.

I left the poll open precisely so if major announcements were made, people can re-vote, and it'll be very interesting to see how many of us decide to preserve the status quo, given his unequivocal and clear statement of intent, despite the crushing disappointments of this season.

Where Green is in error (and let's be honest, communication is not his strong point) is not realising that after the Fev debacle, they needed to move quickly to do damage limitation. He must have been as gutted as anyone, perhaps in the circumstances more than most, at what happened, and the manner of our downfall. But fall we did, and it is his business which he needs to keep going, in the first instance, to avoid immediate meltdown, and to gain promotion in 12 months time, which year HE has to subsidise - not Ferres, or anyone else. He does have a choice. In many ways the easy choice would be to cut his losses and bail. I am not a little relieved to hear that he isn't doing that, despite the rumours and character assassinations, and while he may not get much credit again for that, he bloody well should.

But I can't imagine how he would stand yet another year were we to fail again, and I can't imagine how we can have any sort of a crack at it unless we keep pretty much all of our support.

His statement skirts round some major problems - such as the undoubtedly disastrous signings record - but the essentials are correct, and I can't argue with them.

As things stand, I am convinced enough to be back next year. It isn't just Green's commitment. It is the fact we also have the germ of a great set of youngsters rapidly maturing, we have the most promising young new coach in the game, and at last we have a fsck in scrum half to start to build a team and systems around. It is idle to pick over the bones of why this only happened too late, as 2016 has gone now and won't be coming back. We are looking at the future for this conversation. Inquests are maybe inevitable, and necessary, but those of us who cling to a hope of return of some better days had better hope that our numbers hold fairly firm as cash will be King.

For the most part, I say well said Marc Green, he has invested a lot in our club and been let down, but he wants to go around again. He will have learned lessons. I'm in.
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Re: Admin : Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:22 pm  
just finished work and after reading the statement I'm left with the opinion that no one is going to take blame for the poor season, instead the fans now have to pay for full time championship rugby again. Will everyone back the statement and go again with a season ticket? I guess if I lived in bradford still I'd pick and choose the games I attended. maybe go to the Halifax game in the shield at odsal.
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Re: Admin : Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:26 pm  
RickyF1 wrote:
Batley budget can't of been £150k because they players was on a 5k bonus for winning on Sunday.


was that every player?
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Re: Admin : Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:55 am  
David Tasker wrote:
was that every player?

I believe so.
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