[Bullseye]

Re: Halifax (H) : Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:21 am  

When he put the ball into touch for the scrum late in the second half it was an admission that the side was more knackered than 12 man Fax. That and the penalty goal (an admission that their defence was too good for us) must have given Fax more encouragement. Poor tactical decisions. The one point was ok though as we got some points with little time on the clock.

Re: Halifax (H) : Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:38 am  

Bullseye wrote:

Wasn't the drop goal in the last minute before half time?

Give or take a little yes. But......to me that screams a total lack of confidence and no doubt gave Fax a boost.

Re: Halifax (H) : Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:06 pm  

Greg Florimos Boots wrote:

Give or take a little yes. But......to me that screams a total lack of confidence and no doubt gave Fax a boost.

With a minute or two left of the half. 8-8. You take the drop goal to go in front. If you had a penalty in the same situation you’d take the 2. So why not the 1, it still means the opposition has to score points to get even or in front. Plus after failing last week numerous times to go for the drop when it was tight, this was one decision they got right!

Taking the two however, when they did, suits your statement more. As it didn’t put us in the lead as we already had it. And it didn’t impact the scoreboard much at that time. If there was like 5 mins to go then fair enough as it eats up the clock. But at that time, in front of the sticks, already 7 up (I think), you have to put pressure on 12 man Fax at that point.

Re: Halifax (H) : Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:32 pm  

Bulls Boy 2011 wrote:

With a minute or two left of the half. 8-8. You take the drop goal to go in front. If you had a penalty in the same situation you’d take the 2. So why not the 1, it still means the opposition has to score points to get even or in front. Plus after failing last week numerous times to go for the drop when it was tight, this was one decision they got right!

Taking the two however, when they did, suits your statement more. As it didn’t put us in the lead as we already had it. And it didn’t impact the scoreboard much at that time. If there was like 5 mins to go then fair enough as it eats up the clock. But at that time, in front of the sticks, already 7 up (I think), you have to put pressure on 12 man Fax at that point.

If its a penalty in that situation then you are kind of forced in to going for the 2 points where as taking the 1 point screams that its going to be a tight game and its a concious decision to put that point on the board. I guarentee that will have been a topic of conversation for the Fax players at half time and used as motivation where as two from a penalty with not long left probably doesn't even warrant a mention as every team would be taking the 2 points there. At that point in the game the Bulls should not have even have been thinking about it been a tight game but that decision would certainly have been in the Bulls players thoughts and would have given Fax a boost.

Re: Halifax (H) : Tue Apr 19, 2022 1:54 pm  

Agree with the above about the bizarre decision making. The drop goal was the correct decision as mentioned but the ‘extra two’ to take it from a 7 point lead to a 9 point lead was bizarre and would have given fax a boost that we were admitting we couldn’t break them down.

Worst point being that, we didn’t even use the full minute when taking that 2 pointer.

Given we got arguably the most experienced coach in the league, why are we doing things like that?

I understand the points about the narrow pitch but it winds me up that we don’t learn to use it to our advantage given we play on it every other week.

Last season we seemed to kick out on the full most games. Other teams kept it on the island. We’ve got a crap lot, but let’s at least try to get the most out of our crap lot. An away side, coming to odsal once a year shouldn’t be using the pitch better than us.

Against Leigh and Fev, understandable, against a full 13 Fax, understandable. But (no disrespect)
Intended) we need to be doing better against the others

[Bullseye]

Re: Halifax (H) : Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:08 pm  

As has already been said having a narrow pitch actually helps defensively. The issue we've had with spreading the ball has been down to our really slow PTB. It stops quick service to the halfbacks and in turn to the outside backs. It's all very well Crossley making 10m on a carry but if he ends up on his back in a tangle on the floor and takes 6 or 7 seconds to get to his feet the defence is set. I like Doyle and he's one forward that can hold his head high in terms of effort but I think he needs to work on speeding up his passing.

Anyone else noticed the slowness of Patton and Lilley in spreading the ball? They seemed to pause in midfield to try and bring in the defence before moving it wide. I can see the logic but it was executed at a snail's pace so lost any benefit. They were both guilty of passing the ball inaccurately too so the runner had to check - also helping the defence. They weren't helped by the fact that nobody ran any decent lines once Scott went off injured.

Other times we tried to move the ball wide before we'd earnt the right and ended up going sideways. In those situations you need to keep hitting the middle and make them crack and then run straight when you move it wide rather than running people out of space.

Lastly, the Fax game and the Barrow game saw us get totally done over by the the opposition offloading the ball in the tackle. It wore us down (not hard). Why don't we try and offload more? Our players are often taken completely unawares when we do manage it.

A lot of this comes down to fitness and attitude at the end of the day.

Re: Halifax (H) : Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:14 pm  

The narrow pitch excuse is utter tripe. Has everyone forgotten our last away game, on a 68 meter wide pitch, against a team with out a win all season (and still dont have 1 by the way) we only scored 1 try and not a single point in the second half.

Oh and the game up at Workington the week before that was dire as well.

Utter crap that from Lilley im afraid.

Re: Halifax (H) : Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:56 pm  

You have to wonder what the marketing team made of his comments:

Lilley is quoted as saying “It’s never going to be an expansive, really good game on here, it’s one for the middles”. And admitting the players prefer to play away from Odsal.

Basically if you want to see a decent game, your best chance is when they visit an away ground. What sad state affairs this club finds itself in.

Re: Halifax (H) : Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:34 am  

Bully_Boxer wrote:

You have to wonder what the marketing team made of his comments:

Lilley is quoted as saying “It’s never going to be an expansive, really good game on here, it’s one for the middles”. And admitting the players prefer to play away from Odsal.

Basically if you want to see a decent game, your best chance is when they visit an away ground. What sad state affairs this club finds itself in.

Unfortunatley thats not true either, see my last post above.

Re: Halifax (H) : Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:39 am  

What's the point of a wide pitch when your middles are that knackered the backs are carting the ball up the middle 50-60% of the time? By the time we get to the inevitable and lamentable 'Patton to Gill (yes EVERYONE) knows the drill' the backs are too breathless to get off the ground....