Re: OK Bulls - Bye Bye : Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:43 pm  

Frank Whitcombe wrote:

Never been so sad to have been right!

Although you said OKB would go into administration, which it has not. It MAY happen in the future, after (if, but IMO when) they hive down/off the club into Newco, when maybe the only creditor left is the previous owner. It was stated categorically tonight though that the club would not be going into administration.

Like you did in your OP, I think some specific words may have been used tonight. Fine by me.

I have to ask - since it was this that induced me to return to the forum to make the post I did - did your post reflect specific information, rather than just deduction? I felt there was a high probability that it DID. Which is why I feared there was a good chance that the real message in my coded post (which you picked up straight away in what I saw as maybe a confirmation?) would prove bang on the money too.

From my dealings with OK and Whitcu*t, away from the public eye, I have no reason whatsoever to doubt what we had confirmed tonight. And so, like you, sadly I was not at all surprised.

One unanswered question: what does Gerry have to say?

Re: OK Bulls - Bye Bye : Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:59 pm  

The questions at the evening show that there were serious errors made by the old regime and also some underhand tactics used when they came to jumping ship.

OK, Sutcliffe, and Whitcut seem to have used the Bulls to play on being the great saviour and building their own egos.

I thought the meeting last night felt better than the previous ones, although the news wasnt brilliant I came away with a truer understanding of where we are.

Re: OK Bulls - Bye Bye : Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:26 pm  

Charging Bull wrote:

I thought the meeting last night felt better than the previous ones, although the news wasnt brilliant I came away with a truer understanding of where we are.

I know some on the board fall asleep at the mention of accounts - but if you don't have a grip on the money it eventually comes back to spoil the party on the field.

It seems from all the statements from the new managing team that they will strive to keep costs on or below income but I worry that the conclusion to that might be that you cannot get enough money in Bradford to support SL aspirations? Hope I am wrong.

[Bulliac]

Re: OK Bulls - Bye Bye : Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:16 am  

Northernrelic wrote:

I know some on the board fall asleep at the mention of accounts - but if you don't have a grip on the money it eventually comes back to spoil the party on the field.

It seems from all the statements from the new managing team that they will strive to keep costs on or below income but I worry that the conclusion to that might be that you cannot get enough money in Bradford to support SL aspirations? Hope I am wrong.

I've said before that I think we can support a mid-range SL team on gates and average sponsorship - assuming we get average results, especially at home. We have a particular problem this season though, on two points; one is we still have only half our TV money and two, that all this increased financial pressure is on the one season where regular season results suddenly become much more important.

The saving grace for me though is, much as I hope we can beat the odds and retain SL status, I'll still be near the front of the queue for a season ticket in the Championship, if indeed that is where we play in 2015.

Re: OK Bulls - Bye Bye : Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:25 am  

Bulliac wrote:

I've said before that I think we can support a mid-range SL team on gates and average sponsorship - assuming we get average results, especially at home. We have a particular problem this season though, on two points; one is we still have only half our TV money and two, that all this increased financial pressure is on the one season where regular season results suddenly become much more important.

The saving grace for me though is, much as I hope we can beat the odds and retain SL status, I'll still be near the front of the queue for a season ticket in the Championship, if indeed that is where we play in 2015.

me too, despised though we are in some quarters for such blind folly. But the saving grace for me is that whatever happens, the club that is lost to make way for a promoted club in 2014 is seemingly 99.99999999999999999% nailed on to be poor old London, isn't it? Can you realistically see a way out for them? I mean, it may not even be a contest as so far they have no ground and no squad, in effect, as I understand it.

There is some (IMHO remote) possibility that if London do fold, a Championship club would replace them in SL2014. That may be so, and theoretically relegation may still be left in place, but we all know that in those circumstances, the cobbled-together new SL club would be guaranteed to finish last by some distance, whatever troubles we, Wakey and anyone else have. So the way i see it, if we stay alive, we stay in SL for at least one more season, And then the Sky money's back, so it's like we are playing the season for a prize pot of half a mill.

[Bulliac]

Re: OK Bulls - Bye Bye : Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:37 am  

Well, the RFL haven't yet announced the definites anyway, so I guess anything is possible. Much depends on how many clubs are going to be in the division [on an on-going basis, not just next season] and, as you correctly say, what happens with other clubs.

It's going to be interesting..

Re: OK Bulls - Bye Bye : Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:32 pm  

There must be a point coming soon where the RFL turn round and say you need to confirm all these things as a Championship club will have next to no chance in being able to compete next year and what could have been a year to plan to join SL could be the one that they end up playing in for 12 months then relegated and replaced by a competitor. I dont think even with protection for a club coming up it would be the right thing to do.

[Bulliac]

Re: OK Bulls - Bye Bye : Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:19 pm  

Charging Bull wrote:

There must be a point coming soon where the RFL turn round and say you need to confirm all these things as a Championship club will have next to no chance in being able to compete next year and what could have been a year to plan to join SL could be the one that they end up playing in for 12 months then relegated and replaced by a competitor. I dont think even with protection for a club coming up it would be the right thing to do.

It's conceivable [and workable] to bring a championship team and give them immunity from relegation on a one off basis but they really should have sorted it by now - and I'd guess even they know that.

That said, they have little choice but to expect London to take up their position on the starting line and it's only if and when they don't that the recriminations will begin. Start announcing even possible successors too early and it makes London look like a basket case, which might well then be used by the club to show that the RFL's precipitate action was a cause of bringing down the club.

Re: OK Bulls - Bye Bye : Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:39 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

me too, despised though we are in some quarters for such blind folly. But the saving grace for me is that whatever happens, the club that is lost to make way for a promoted club in 2014 is seemingly 99.99999999999999999% nailed on to be poor old London, isn't it? Can you realistically see a way out for them? I mean, it may not even be a contest as so far they have no ground and no squad, in effect, as I understand it.

There is some (IMHO remote) possibility that if London do fold, a Championship club would replace them in SL2014. That may be so, and theoretically relegation may still be left in place, but we all know that in those circumstances, the cobbled-together new SL club would be guaranteed to finish last by some distance, whatever troubles we, Wakey and anyone else have. So the way i see it, if we stay alive, we stay in SL for at least one more season, And then the Sky money's back, so it's like we are playing the season for a prize pot of half a mill.

If restructure plans go through then two go down. Which puts us in frame alongside London, Wakefield and probably Cas.

Re: OK Bulls - Bye Bye : Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:23 am  

Omar to take legal action... http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... al_action/

Omar to take legal action... http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... al_action/