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Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:12 pm  
Just to pee everyone off a little bit more, even my little local council can sort summat out.

http://www.calderdale.gov.uk/leisure/venues/shay/index.html
Just to pee everyone off a little bit more, even my little local council can sort summat out.

http://www.calderdale.gov.uk/leisure/venues/shay/index.html
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Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:18 pm  
The "Council" blame the recession but there has not been a 40 year recession, and that's the time they have been screwing with Odsal Stadium. I bet that the total "consultancy fees" paid over that period would be nearly enough to have constructed a new Wembley on site, instead there are several very wealthy consultants laughing hysterically all the way to the bank, at Council taxpayers' expense, while as ever - and entirely predictably - absolutely no progress is made.

This will have come as a huge blow and a shock to Hood, who as recently as the Past Players dinner was expressing certainty that the scheme was imminently going ahead. If so, then maybe he feels the same "kick in the stomach" as I did some decades ago when I had my first experience of the Odsal Letdown. But such is the incompetence of this Council, and such is their abysmal track record on developing Odsal, that sadly most people's reaction is "WTF did you really expect?"

As has been said, having piloted the decline of Bradford with the first "Wembley of the North" grandiose pipedreams decades ago, the Council have been good at only one thing, and that is knocking down, or letting fall down, increasing chunks of the city. Unsurprisingly, with so much experience, they have now perfected this, such that they have even contrived to have half the city centre converted into a bomb site which we are now told is almost certain to remain so for at least another 4 years. Itself a wild guess with no substance to back up even that prediction. So a full decade without a Centre, then?

From the Bulls' point of view, I don't know what we can now do to survive. As Adey has pointed out, we are stuck at Odsal and it is outside our powers to just leave. Maybe the worst case scenario of letting the club go bust is the actual only practical way out of that one, but without a ground, we can't even apply for the next SL licence so Bulls Holdings (2010) Ltd playing out of VP seems to be the only alternative to oblivion.

Fsck you, Bradford Council.
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Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:18 pm  
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Councillor David Warburton is one of them!!!! what side is he on? wants a state of the art stadium and sports complex, but not anyone parking near his house. Typical of the tools running BMDC!!!
I think i have found the reason!!!!

all the councillors are only interested in their small patch of the city, and none of them have the bigger view in mind. time to get rid of the council and have an elected mayor who will take responsibility and hire and fire his officials!


Yes, bugger local democracy when it doesn't suit us. Lets put all our faith in a meglomaniac.
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Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:39 pm  
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I'm convinced that the Council would rip up the lease in a stroke with no penalty clauses whatsoever and no clawback of the monies paid previously if it meant the Bulls could stand alone as a viable Bradford sporting venture. I presume they might have a problem would a proposal be to re-locate out of the district.

They may not be able to deliver and pay for a £75m stadium scheme ( if they had the money alone I'm sure they would have done so ) but there would be no Council interest in obstructively blocking the Bulls "moving on". I doubt many people would object to this if it was seen as the best way forward for both parties.


Without Odsal being developed the only realistic option is moving to VP but I could see the Bulls being reluctant to do that unless they were equal partners with City and didn't find themselves as new hostages to the current owner of VP. A solution put forward by City's Supporters Trust was to get the council to buy VP from the current owners. However with that would look unlikely given the comments by the Lib Dem councillor. The council would have to agree to write off the Odsal Contract monies and buy VP. I can't see that happening.
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Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:44 pm  
I didn't realise it was reliant on Bradford College getting money from the Learning and Skills Council. Of 80+ colleges in the country to get the go-ahead for redevelopment work from them, fewer than 15 have received any money at all. There's at least one that has knocked down the majority of its campus to subsequently find that they were only joking about the money and now need to spend what they have left on portacabins instead.

My disgust at these people being the weak link in the chain, when they've been known for years to be incompetent idiots who don't have any money, is only matched by my disgust at education spending being used on sports facilities at all.
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Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:45 pm  
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Without Odsal being developed the only realistic option is moving to VP but I could see the Bulls being reluctant to do that unless they were equal partners with City and didn't find themselves as new hostages to the current owner of VP. A solution put forward by City's Supporters Trust was to get the council to buy VP from the current owners. However with that would look unlikely given the comments by the Lib Dem councillor. The council would have to agree to write off the Odsal Contract monies and buy VP. I can't see that happening.


Something along the lines of how the Galpharm stadium was set up - the stadium management company being shared equally by the council, the Bulls & City? Would have to have the "share" tied to each club and unable to be separately sold to avoid the problems the Galpharm has at the moment.
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Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:48 pm  
I find it shocking that their spending a million pounds on a feasibility study. Of all the options discussed in the paper, the only ones which involve developing Odsal cost in excess of 30 million.
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Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:57 pm  
When the initial proposal was dropped for the £75m proposal I did think it was a pipedream and totally unachievable. The Council spearheaded that move and so now look like complete idiots. The initial scheme was less ambitious and could have been completed by now. As it is we're left as the main loser in this whole sorry tale.

You could argue that if the council were trying to engineer a situation to get the club out of Odsal they couldn't be doing a better job moreover I would even say that if the Council were trying to get the club out of existence they were on track to achieve that too.
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Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:59 pm  
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When the initial proposal was dropped for the £75m proposal I did think it was a pipedream and totally unachievable. The Council spearheaded that move and so now look like complete idiots. The initial scheme was less ambitious and could have been completed by now. As it is we're left as the main loser in this whole sorry tale.

You could argue that if the council were trying to engineer a situation to get the club out of Odsal they couldn't be doing a better job moreover I would even say that if the Council were trying to get the club out of existence they were on track to achieve that too.


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Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:04 pm  
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Groundhog Day...


It's like a recurring nightmare.

I think it's the final nail in the Odsal coffin though hopefully not for the club. Hopefully the movers and shakers at the Council, Bulls, City and their ground's owners can come to some arrangement.

Otherwise, Halifax Bulls anyone :wink:
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