FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Giants and Wigan battle for Bateman
RankPostsTeam
International Star87No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 02 201114 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
26th Jun 14 21:0723rd May 14 22:42LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Giants and Wigan battle for Bateman : Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:14 pm  
Bullseye wrote:
We can stop selling our talent when we have enough money coming into the club to keep it. 2300 season tickets isn't enough.

Fact is we've been skint for years and this is a wake up call just like Wakey have had.

Whether we sell more is down to how much money comes into the club. I hope we got a good fee for Bateman, any news on whether it's cash only or is a player part of the deal? He's gone to a good club and good luck to him. Now's a big chance for the likes of Roberts and Mellor who look good IMO.

As a poster said earlier it's like "back to the 80s" we've no money, struggle to hang onto our best players (Hanley/Ford/Skerrett all over again etc), the tories are in, the charts are crap, what next? Perms coming back in? Keep your chins up people worse things happen at sea.


Wow, that one took me back. Hanley, Skerrett by all means. But who remembers Phil Ford these days? I liked him!
RankPostsTeam
International Star87No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 02 201114 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
26th Jun 14 21:0723rd May 14 22:42LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Giants and Wigan battle for Bateman : Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:19 pm  
bullsfanusa wrote:
Clearly, it is never great news to lose a young player who has come through the junior ranks and has high potential but it happens to all clubs and I do not believe that Bateman's loss is anywhere near the same level as that of Leon Pryce several years ago for example.

We have to be realistic as it relates to the Bulls position and their ability to keep hold of talent. That said, that was even true in the heady days of consecutive Grand Finals (Ryan Atkins, Stuart Reardon etc.). I see comments that we can not keep hold of talent and using the Burgess brothers and Naughton as examples - frankly no club could have stopped Sam Burgess once Russell Crowe came knocking and then it was only a matter of time before his brothers followed - just compare their life in Sydney to that of Bradford.

We also need to remember that the Bulls is a business and the club and directors need to do whatever they can to keep the club running. Information is not always going to be shared with fans as freely as we would like.

I believe that the Bulls made some progress on the field last year and I am confidant that with the signings that they have made they will make further progress in 2014, even with the loss of Bateman. Attitude and solidarity in the Clubhouse makes a significant difference in any sport {see "worst to first" Boston Red Sox baseball as an example}, and I believe that this is what Cummins is trying to achieve.


Don't compare yourselves too closely to the Sox. The 'Bambinos's Curse' lasted over 80 years!
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star2524
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 16 201114 years341st
OnlineLast PostLast Page
25th Mar 23 22:1725th Feb 23 14:51LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
The Arsehole of Nowhere!!!
Signature
Veni, Vidi, Spurius brutus detruncavi
I came, I saw, I tore the thick b4st4rds limb from limb

Bradford Bulls - the polished turds of SL since 2012

Re: Giants and Wigan battle for Bateman : Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:30 pm  
The red sox finished at the the bottom of their division and near the foot of the total table of teams last year, and they won the "world" series this year, think that make more sense :)
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star188No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 07 201114 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Aug 17 00:0130th Jul 15 18:44LINK
Milestone Posts
100
200
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Guiseley/Chicago

Re: Giants and Wigan battle for Bateman : Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:10 pm  
The Red Sox had the talent last year, with one of the highest payrolls in MLB. The issue was with their manager Bobby Valentine, whom almost everyone loathed, and only lasted one season.

There is not the quality at the Bulls for them to suddenly leap into title or cup winning contention next season.
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5281
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 24 201015 years339th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
11th Nov 24 23:3921st Oct 24 17:45LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Giants and Wigan battle for Bateman : Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:37 pm  
I don't theynk they actually meant literally.
RankPostsTeam
International Star365No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 23 201114 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
8th Sep 23 20:5427th Oct 19 20:05LINK
Milestone Posts
250
500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Giants and Wigan battle for Bateman : Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:46 pm  
I think Bob Dylan's Hat might be rhyming slang.
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach141No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 08 200519 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
28th Jan 16 01:0910th Jul 15 16:08LINK
Milestone Posts
100
200
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Kennebunkport, Maine USA

Re: Giants and Wigan battle for Bateman : Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:18 pm  
Bob Dylan's Hat wrote:
The Red Sox had the talent last year, with one of the highest payrolls in MLB. The issue was with their manager Bobby Valentine, whom almost everyone loathed, and only lasted one season.

There is not the quality at the Bulls for them to suddenly leap into title or cup winning contention next season.


My point was that attitude and team chemistry make a significant difference in sport. I do not not expect the Bulls to suddenly become world Champions but do believe that they will continue to make progress on the field because of the type of environment that Cummins is trying to put together.

What is interesting is that the Red Sox who, despite significant talent and a high payroll, totally underperformed in 2012 then cleared out the "problem" players and brought in a manager who totally brought the team together and with a few lessor name additions was able to turn the team around to a World Series win in 2013.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman17146No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 22 200123 years253rd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
17th Nov 24 19:419th Nov 24 07:02LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Olicana - Home of 'Vark Slayer
Signature
“At last, a real, Tory budget,” Daily Mail 24/9/22
"It may be that the honourable gentleman doesn't like mixing with his own side … but we on this side have a more convivial, fraternal spirit." Jacob Rees-Mogg 21/10/21

A member of the Guardian-reading, tofu-eating wokerati.

Re: Giants and Wigan battle for Bateman : Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:22 am  
Huddersfield don't really need another back rower. WIgan are too small in the back row IMO, Farrell's best option is to develop size as a prop. I think Bateman might be the same.
Interesting what Radlinski says about stripping him down & rebuilding him. I wonder whether that is mental as well as physical.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach12310
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 03 200618 years302nd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
25th Feb 23 12:493rd Feb 23 15:19LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Giants and Wigan battle for Bateman : Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:37 am  
bullinenemyland wrote:
Again, read my post properly. I clearly say fair play to fans that don't buy season tickets for genuine understandable reasons, such as not affording them, not attending enough games etc etc.

However, I am sorry but if you've not bought one simply because you don't agree with what is going on at Odsal then I don't think you are a true fan.

In some way those that have chosen to not support the club by investing money in a ST at a time where there is little cash flow have probably contributed towards the club having to back down at the transfer request at this time, yet those same "fans" will cry and shout for blood when ultimately if they had dipped into their pockets (assuming they could) and splashed their cash it might not have even happened.

My so called elite are people who whilst not agreeing to everything that goes on will still turn up week in week out and support the guys that pull on the RAB. We don't constantly harp on about playoffs and winning trophies, everything happens in cycles and we've had our turn at glory. Chances are that if the club survive we will see triumph again. However we won't if we chase something that we simply cannot afford.

Bateman going is no worry to me. Some are making this out to be a crisis and its simply not... its good business. If more players go before season I might not agree with the decisions and I might even comment that I think its a bad call but will that stop me buying another ST, or buying a shirt for next season? Hell no!!!

More than any other club, this one seems to have a section of fans who are quick to turn on the club they claim to support. My honest truth is i'd rather be a championship club, with a smaller fan base who supported the club no matter what than the predicament we find ourselves in.

I find it hard that many seem intent on inflicting harm (no matter if it is intended) on the club, but as a fan I'll have to put up with it and hope that some day the noise will quieten enough that we can actually get back to enjoying the game.

Sorry if you feel aggrieved by my comments but this is the club i've loved for many years and it pains me to see it in this situation.

Firstly, is it only the elite who get to judge what is an understandable reason?

I won't deny I've thought long and hard about getting a ST this year, but there are too many reasons not to imho. During the pledge I (and many other non elitist fans) threw lots of money down a black hole. I'm not saying that is anything to do with the new board, but I haven't seen enough of them to convince me that we will last the season out. I got myself into debt during the pledge, again if you don't think that makes me a true fan then I'm not sure why I'm even bothering posting anymore.

Just from reading your post you must also have concerns that we are being lied to already by the new board. They have insisted that we haven't sold Bateman for financial reasons, but you feel that if us non st holders could have supported the club this may not have happened - you may just be trying to stick the knife in and convince us lesser fans not to go, so you can get your wish of supporting a championship club, but I think it shows that even the holiest of the elite aren't too sure about the new board.

I have never said that i won't turn up at Odsal week in, week out - I simply love the bulls too much to stay away. At present after the uncertainty of the last 2 years I feel it's too much of a risk to lay down the money up front. RHP aside I've not seen anything from the new board which gives me enough confidence that my ST money won't be wasted and we will be back to square one.

I have never harped on about about the playoffs/trophies, I understand that in all sports it happens in cycles, and there are very little trophies won in each season. I have more of an issue with the way in which FC has handled a lot of things - and it appears that many of the players do too. I can understand letting a player go who's hearts not in it, but I feel Bateman could have been convinced we are the right place for him. It appears from where I'm looking that FC takes the easy option of showing players the door rather than trying to motivate/discipline them. And tbh, I was more gutted/pis$ed off with Jamie Langley being slung out the door.

Yes you may have loved the club for many years. so have most on here. It doesn't give you the right to tell them to feck off because they don't agree with you. Again, if you get your wish and this large section of supporters do feck off, you probably will end up watching a championship team, but only for a season or so before we are gone for good.

If you are one of the 'true fans' you should be trying to convince others of the reasons for investing in a ST, not spitting your dummy out and acting as though every fan should have to answer to you. CC tried it, it doesn't work.
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5281
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 24 201015 years339th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
11th Nov 24 23:3921st Oct 24 17:45LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Giants and Wigan battle for Bateman : Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:17 pm  
Tbf, if JB has put in numerous requests over the past 2 years it would seem that somebody at the club had at least attempted to try and convince him to stay. I don't have a problem with what FC is doing, in fact I'm impressed with his style of handling. He doesn't take any crap, and that is what I want to see from a manager and coach. You do it Frannys way or it's the highway. It seems like the 3 that have gone feel like they should be running the club and team themselves. Be gone with you I say.
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google Adsense [Bot], VanGinger and 71 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Bradford Bulls


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
13m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40652
14m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63148
15m
Film game
Wanderer
5474
Recent
2025 Recruitment
Blotto
179
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
21s
Out of contract 2025
Or thane
35
30s
Paladin Sports
The Curtism
21
45s
Pre Season - 2025
Roam Ranger
159
52s
Squad 2025
Miserybusine
50
1m
Recruitment rumours and links
Wires71
3551
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63148
1m
2025 Recruitment
Blotto
179
1m
Transfer Talk V5
chapylad
479
2m
Noah Booth out on loan
Trojan Horse
8
2m
The Brick Stadium ownership update
apollosghost
41
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
Highbury Rhi
4
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Trojan Horse
8
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
745 Game
chapylad
4
TODAY
Are we nearly there yet
Returnwr to
1
TODAY
Magic weekend fixtures confirmed
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Fixtures 2025
Yippee try y
15
TODAY
Keith Hepworth passes away
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Misi Taulapapa
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Season tickets
Neruda
6
TODAY
RIP Keith Hepworth 1942-2024
Armavinit
13
TODAY
9000 season ticket holders announced
Bombers Doub
1
TODAY
Merry Christmas
orangeman
7
TODAY
I dont think this is a good signing for the Leopards
Vancouver Le
10
TODAY
Red Devils sign International forward
Huddersfield
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
247
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1114
England's Women Demolish The W..
952
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1187
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
970
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1235
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1782
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2011
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2263
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1834
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2073
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2532
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1974
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2061
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
2262
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
13m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40652
14m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63148
15m
Film game
Wanderer
5474
Recent
2025 Recruitment
Blotto
179
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
21s
Out of contract 2025
Or thane
35
30s
Paladin Sports
The Curtism
21
45s
Pre Season - 2025
Roam Ranger
159
52s
Squad 2025
Miserybusine
50
1m
Recruitment rumours and links
Wires71
3551
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63148
1m
2025 Recruitment
Blotto
179
1m
Transfer Talk V5
chapylad
479
2m
Noah Booth out on loan
Trojan Horse
8
2m
The Brick Stadium ownership update
apollosghost
41
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
Highbury Rhi
4
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Trojan Horse
8
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
745 Game
chapylad
4
TODAY
Are we nearly there yet
Returnwr to
1
TODAY
Magic weekend fixtures confirmed
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Fixtures 2025
Yippee try y
15
TODAY
Keith Hepworth passes away
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Misi Taulapapa
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Season tickets
Neruda
6
TODAY
RIP Keith Hepworth 1942-2024
Armavinit
13
TODAY
9000 season ticket holders announced
Bombers Doub
1
TODAY
Merry Christmas
orangeman
7
TODAY
I dont think this is a good signing for the Leopards
Vancouver Le
10
TODAY
Red Devils sign International forward
Huddersfield
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
247
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1114
England's Women Demolish The W..
952
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1187
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
970
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1235
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1782
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2011
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2263
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1834
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2073
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2532
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1974
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2061
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
2262


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!