Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:00 am  

Sounds like a lot of people have got a "Cobb on". Fair enough some of the refs are crap but until armchair officials put themselves forward it will ever be thus. If you can do any better get signed up!

We also appear to be clinging to ifs, buts and maybes with regard to promotion. I've said it before and I'll say it again we are not going up with Lowes in charge. We have no hope against Hull KR and I don't expect us to beat both Championship teams. No one should be surprised if we lose to Halifax.

[Bullseye]

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:22 am  

Fact is that we've got a Championship side with a few SL players. You cant really do any better with the salary cap available so any chance of winning is remote.

You need a SL side to turn up like Salford but that's always going to be the exception.

We must get Gaskell back to have any hope of getting 4th or 5th. The next three games will be very tough and are all vs teams that have beaten us this season.

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:22 am  

Bull Mania wrote:

No that was the correct decision, but I was referring to one where James Clare took a quick tap after we has a penalty.

Got you!

And i agree with you, i'd much prefer the ref to let the game flow.

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:31 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Fact is that we've got a Championship side with a few SL players. .

Why do people keep saying this?

Let's look at yesterdays team

Clare - played SL with Castleford
Caro - top try scorer for Hull KR in SL last season
Neilson - played State of Origin
Purtell - played SL with us
Williams - played SL with us
Mullaney - played SL at Salford last season
Addy - played SL with us
Sidlow - played SL with us
O'Brien - played SL with us
Clough - played SL with St Helens for years
Ferguson - played SL with us
Olbison - played SL with us
Pitts - played SL with us

Mellor - played SL with us
Blythe - played SL with us
Crossley - played SL with us and Cas
Lauaki - played SL with Wigan and Hull

Doesn't seem like 'a Championship side' to my eyes, and certainly shouldn't be getting 56 points put on them at home against a side that couldn't make the Top 8

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:55 pm  

Yes the team does have a lot of players that have played super league but I still believe the issue is the 23 rounds of championship rugby those players played which was nothing more than a very long preseason in terms of preparation for 8's. It doesn't offer enough intense build up for games against super league sides. I know we beat Salford but I think after the Wakefield result they vastly underestimated us and never recovered.

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:23 pm  

redeverready wrote:

Yes the team does have a lot of players that have played super league but I still believe the issue is the 23 rounds of championship rugby those players played which was nothing more than a very long preseason in terms of preparation for 8's. It doesn't offer enough intense build up for games against super league sides. I know we beat Salford but I think after the Wakefield result they vastly underestimated us and never recovered.

Oh yes, I definitely agree with that. The issue then becomes one of preparation and squad management, rather than simply saying we have Championship players. That may have been true when we were playing the likes of Shaw, Uaisele, Mendieka, Taharoui etc - but not now

[Bulliac]

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:15 pm  

The make up of the current side is irrelevant when thinking about any promoted side. If we are promoted we get double the salary cap, and whilst I accept that some of the squad may well have enhanced deals on that basis for next season, the idea that our current squad, in its entirety, is somehow going to be our SL squad is barmy imo. There's no way we'd go into SL with a championship squad.

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:44 pm  

bullsonfire wrote:

Sounds like a lot of people have got a "Cobb on". Fair enough some of the refs are crap but until armchair officials put themselves forward it will ever be thus. If you can do any better get signed up!

We also appear to be clinging to ifs, buts and maybes with regard to promotion. I've said it before and I'll say it again we are not going up with Lowes in charge. We have no hope against Hull KR and I don't expect us to beat both Championship teams. No one should be surprised if we lose to Halifax.

Here we go another arm chair head coach claiming it's because the coach isn't good enough.

If you can do better why don't you put yourself forward as coach?

People like you need to realise without coaches we don't have a game etc etc

See it's a garbage comment isn't it? Everyone can complain about the ref same as they can complain about the coach and players.

In a lot of people's opinion the red was garbage.

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:44 pm  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJHy77A3Um8 Here's the tries. Right. After all the criticism and bickering, nothing wrong with a single one of them. Joe Cobb has been slaughtered from the offset yet you were just destroyed by a better side. Anything to say? One marginal decision that looked forward thanks to momentum and not a single other issue with any of the tries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJHy77A3Um8 Here's the tries. Right. After all the criticism and bickering, nothing wrong with a single one of them. Joe Cobb has been slaughtered from the offset yet you were just destroyed by a better side. Anything to say? One marginal decision that looked forward thanks to momentum and not a single other issue with any of the tries.

Re: Super 8s The Qualifiers Game 4: Widnes at Home : Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:33 pm  

"All the criticism and bickering"

yes, a bit of criticism and bickering, but also plenty of acknowledgement that Widnes were the better side. What i would like to show you, but of course it is not available, is 23 games of Championship quality refereeing, apparently designed to reduce any championship team with aspirations to play SL standard rugby to the level of amateurs. Widnes, due to better sharper SL quality refereeing, knew more precisely what they could and could not get away with. that is what is behind the outpourings against the refereeing, not just one game against Widnes. Of course the proof is, would you want Cobb to referee every single one of your SL games next season? Trick question, you cannot answer because you simply do not know.