Re: Latest state of play posts only : Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:44 pm  

Didn't Workington just get promoted the other day? We wouldn't even be going there...!

Re: Latest state of play posts only : Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:48 pm  

Mirfieldbull wrote:

Probably agree - so the RFL is left with stadium and no income! That's the bit that frustrates me most - as a sport are we strong enough to see that money blown away. Other club's fans may not like it, but the RFL working to keep Bulls in Super League keeps the RFL in the strongest position! Sell the lease back for a fair price and let any buyer take his chance in the next round of licensing is the least worst option for the game isn't it?

The Rfl should sell the lease back for what they paid for it, however i think they may have a different agenda as what you say above is the sensible option but they (the RFL) don't seem too keen on us staying in SL beyond this season.

Re: Latest state of play posts only : Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:08 pm  

If the RFL revoke our SL license surely they won't make anything out of owning the lease to Odsal. No business plan will be viable for the Bulls at Odsal if they aren't in SL and no money will be recouped by RFL if Bulls aren't at Odsal.

All a bit of a strange going on at the minute, the RFL need to realise the sport isn't as big as Sky and they make out in the UK, the Super League needs as many fans as possible and Bulls have a large fan base, to throw us out isolates all them fans.

Atki

Re: Latest state of play posts only : Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:11 pm  

jammle wrote:

The Rfl should sell the lease back for what they paid for it, however i think they may have a different agenda as what you say above is the sensible option but they (the RFL) don't seem too keen on us staying in SL beyond this season.

Go on then,were's the punch line?
They've bent over backwards to help you,they've bought your iconic groundthey (secretly/slyly) gave you £700,000,they forwarded you SKY money and they're paying the staff wages to ensure you survive this season,i'd suggest you open your eyes and appreciate that the RFL are doing their level best to keep you afloat and in SL way beyond this year!
We needed £150,000 to get us out of the mire,and what help did we get,funk all!!But after saying that we've come out much better in the long run.
I'm not blagging the Bulls or the majority of you specci's and I sincerely hope the Bulls come out of this bigger, stronger and still in SL.But you really have to do away with the self pity.

Fire away!

Re: Latest state of play posts only : Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:14 pm  

RFL know that if they say no to either or both questions all interest will evaporate and the adminstrator will have to liquidate. Keeping everything in the air means they get to the end of the season and then decide what they like - if we fold then it doesn't matter to them as much. Now its a catastrophe, sorting the league out, PR all of it.

Maybe the RFL are being greedy and gambling on someone taking us on with the existing deal on the rent. They've paid upfront for the lease but sooner or later market rate for rent will pay that off and turn into pure profit. How much do we reckon "market rate" is for renting Odsal? Are we paying them market rate while they inherited our peppercorn deal with the council? Difference will eventually be the profit margin for the RFL.

Maybe owning the lease is worth more to the RFL regardless of whether we are still the tenants. Coral Stand as RFL HQ? Ground used for events they currently have to use other peoples stadia for (and share profits with)? Gamble on someone else renting it to play in?

Re: Latest state of play posts only : Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:24 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark and others are right - if the RFL believe they will receive an "unconditional" offer (especially in today's economic climate) they are living in a different world to the rest of us. I seem to remember the current Chief Executive having some experience of financial problems at Halifax not too long ago so you might think that he would have some understanding if not sympathy.
Some RL fans have always wanted to retreat to the M62 corridor, proud of our northern heritage. Well a northern sport without SL presence in Bradford, Liverpool, Manchester (Salford is a separate city) not to mention Newcastle and the North East does not exactly cover all the north . It would be terrible publicity for the sport.
I quite liked Sadler's comments in the RL Express today-- basically it's gone on too long and the RFL should buy the club and resell to a bidder of their choice. And it's interesting that the ABC group apparently circulated their proposals to ALL SL clubs. Shame that the long suffering staff ,players and fans (the lifeblood of any club ) were not offered the same courtesy. I don't whether to sign off in sorrow (but don't want to accused of self pity) or in anger-- perhaps both in equal measure.

Re: Fans Meeting at City Hall - Mon 7pm : Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:53 pm  

With these extended deadlines, it makes you wonder if we are in as much poop has administrater stated we where?

I smell a big rat!

Re: Fans Meeting at City Hall - Mon 7pm : Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:02 pm  

steamingbull02 wrote:

With these extended deadlines, it makes you wonder if we are in as much poop has administrater stated we where?

I smell a big rat!

If the RFL have agreed to pay the players wages and all the other staff have been sacked then there's not that much else he needs to fund (apart from himself).

There's only so much you can expect the coaching staff to put up with though, there have been plenty of football managers/coaches who've gone unpaid for lengthy admin periods, but their players had been deferring salary too.

Re: Fans Meeting at City Hall - Mon 7pm : Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:07 pm  

Asim wrote:

If the RFL have agreed to pay the players wages and all the other staff have been sacked then there's not that much else he needs to fund (apart from himself).

There's only so much you can expect the coaching staff to put up with though, there have been plenty of football managers/coaches who've gone unpaid for lengthy admin periods, but their players had been deferring salary too.

But the money saved by not having to pay administrater, could have paid for the none playing staff?

Or is that just wishfull thinking?

Re: : Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:08 pm  

AaronBull wrote:

Admin deadline extended until 31st August. Wow

Well that seems to confirm that the RL are advancing enough money to pay the August wages.

Wages are paid on the 14th of the month I believe, so presumably that means we can pay the players for the period August 14th to September 14th, which actually would take us right to end of the season if we don't qualify for the Play Offs.

Not sure how we're meant to manage with no coaching or backroom staff though?