Don't the players realise : Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:45 am  

They work for and in a business.

The business will thrive, they will earn a living and become better and more desirable by other businesses if they are good in their work.

The Bulls were a business. The players appear to want to try and end it this year in Superleague without a fight.

If this team were a restaurant, it would be closed down. I have been eating at this restaurant for many years, through good and bad. I have been served banal plain food for almost 9 years with the odd unexpected sweet dish. However, for this season, my meals are becoming more indigestible by the week, and you know, when you like something so much that you keep going for the same thing, only for you to get sick of it eventually. That's how I am now and I'm not alone.

I wouldn't mind if the waiters tried their best, but only the odd few care. The majority of them are waiting for the place to fold so they can move to Luigi's down the road. However, Luigi has the odd meal in their restaurant to check on the competition, but he knows he has nothing to fear. Except for one or two, most won't end up serving good food again and will end up stacking shelves.

Sorry about the restaurant analogy, but I hope you (and the players get the point).

I love rugby league. I have been a season ticket holder for many years, I went to Auz in 2008 for the World Cup, I went to several games in last years World Cup, I subscribe to Premier Sport so I can watch the best of the best RL.

The current owner seems to have business acumen (can you have that and be in RL for a profit), but he needs to give some forward guidance to his customers. He may or may not have shared his plans with the players, but it's the punters who help pay the majority of the bills and he's losing them by the hundreds every week and we haven't a clue about the future, other than blindly hoping that things will turn around every match, and they're obviously not.

Marc Green, you bought a business, it's withering every week - you need to do something that the fans can see.

The players - show what you can do. As well as putting yourself in the shop window regarding your abilities, you may just keep us in Superleage (at least put up a fight, we'll respect you more!).

Right, after lasts nights bilge, I'm going to get my stomach pumped (I'm sick of getting my stomach pumped every week of late by the way).

Re: Don't the players realise : Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:08 am  

The problem is that what we are now seeing is the result of years of neglect and mismanagement at the club, which has now all come to a head. I am unsure why Mr Green is getting any stick at this time because he has one hell of a mess to sort out.

However, we have been warned. Sadly there are too many moralisers in our support who have been made fools of by swallowing years of lies and bullsh!t from the club and trying to censor anyone who spoke out about. These "self appointed spokespeople" have to take an element of culpability for turning up to fans forums and letting them away with it. (and clapping the very people who willingly destroyed their club)

And, yes, this IS a case of "I told you so." I did. But sadly there were a few empty vessels who made more noise and rallied their Disciples to the Church of Hood and Khan and let them away with it.

There is very little, if any sympathy for Bradford Bulls. We are just one part of the RL game and we should not get any preferential treatment. Especially when we have had more than our fair share of second chances.

I just find it strange that many who seemed incapable of criticising the club for their shameful dealings now seem very verbal in criticising the RFL.

More hypocrisy.

Re: Don't the players realise : Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:33 am  

Some of our supporters are culpable for the mess we find ourselves in? Are these the same supporters who contributed to raising 500k? Who contributed to the hardship fund? Who contributed to administering the hardship fund? Who give up their own free time to help raise funds for our academy/club?

Perhaps you could let us all know what you have done to help improve things at the club aside from sniping from behind your computer screen?

Re: Don't the players realise : Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:51 am  

Bully_Boxer wrote:

Some of our supporters are culpable for the mess we find ourselves in? Are these the same supporters who contributed to raising 500k? Who contributed to the hardship fund? Who contributed to administering the hardship fund? Who give up their own free time to help raise funds for our academy/club?

Perhaps you could let us all know what you have done to help improve things at the club aside from sniping from behind your computer screen?

Yes, they are. I remember the meltdown on here after a few stirring words from Paul Medley had you all cracking one out over how everything was gonna to be alright. The Bradford Bulls siege mentality.

That went well.

People were quite happy to listen to the lies and soak it all up. It was the most obvious pile of poop ever and yet they were believed and applauded for it! Don't you feel a wee bit embarrassed that so much of your efforts basically went nowhere other than to line to pockets of a crook?

If these people were brought to task long ago then this may have been avoided. Instead we had to listen to the moralisings of supposedly intelligent people on here who could not see the wood for the trees.

Culminating in the embarrassment of singing Happy Birthday to Mr Khan.

Such people have been allowed to continue to destroy the club because people just allowed them to keep on fooling them. It was OBVIOUS what was going on. If I could see it from here then how could more of you not?

It ain't sniping BB, it is stating the bloody obvious. I was roundly slaughtered on here for years for pointing this out and I sure as hell am not going to miss the chance to point out that PLENTY have gotten it badly wrong by burying their heads in the sand.

Had we not had some of the most gullible fans on the planet then this mess would perhaps have not been as bad as it is.

Re: Don't the players realise : Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:53 am  

Disappointing, ME, that you take even this opportunity to have a dig at people. It's not about you this, believe it or not, it's about the club and where they go from here.

Re: Don't the players realise : Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:17 am  

mystic eddie wrote:

Yes, they are. I remember the meltdown on here after a few stirring words from Paul Medley had you all cracking one out over how everything was gonna to be alright. The Bradford Bulls siege mentality.

That went well.

People were quite happy to listen to the lies and soak it all up. It was the most obvious pile of poop ever and yet they were believed and applauded for it! Don't you feel a wee bit embarrassed that so much of your efforts basically went nowhere other than to line to pockets of a crook?

If these people were brought to task long ago then this may have been avoided. Instead we had to listen to the moralisings of supposedly intelligent people on here who could not see the wood for the trees.

Culminating in the embarrassment of singing Happy Birthday to Mr Khan.

Such people have been allowed to continue to destroy the club because people just allowed them to keep on fooling them. It was OBVIOUS what was going on. If I could see it from here then how could more of you not?

It ain't sniping BB, it is stating the bloody obvious. I was roundly slaughtered on here for years for pointing this out and I sure as hell am not going to miss the chance to point out that PLENTY have gotten it badly wrong by burying their heads in the sand.

Had we not had some of the most gullible fans on the planet then this mess would perhaps have not been as bad as it is.

So in answer to my question... you've done nothing. What did you do to 'take these people to task'?

Re: Don't the players realise : Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:21 am  

Sorry to disappoint you ME, but whether fans believed him or not, we'd still be in this mess. The same fans wanted McNamara out two years before he got the boot. But we couldn't do anything as we DON'T OWN THE CLUB!

If you were so sure this was going on what did you do??

Re: Don't the players realise : Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:35 am  

We should totally have yet another round of people trying and failing badly to settle low scores. Sets us up nicely for next time.

Re: Don't the players realise : Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:12 pm  

OP - To run with your analogy, I work for a business, and if it were failing, I'd ensure that my CV was polished up as best as can be then go and enjoy working for a less dysfunctional organisation.

We're screwed for this season, and everyone knows it, including the players. Fighting on in the face of inevitable failure is hard enough for the highly skilled and mentally robust. Given our squad is makeshift at best I'm unsurprised that failure has become a habit. It's not okay (I left Salford at half time because I just couldn't face watching more of that dross) but I don't see any mechanism by which what is happening this season can stop happening.

ME - There's no through line or consistency to what you were saying, other than stating the obvious when bad things happen. That's less a position, more a character trait. Wallowing in misery is a tried and tested approach, and fine when it doesn't affect others. But things are miserable enough as a Bradford fan without gratuitous public displays of negativity and point scoring. Yes, you've said some correct things, fine, you get some internet points. Now go and spend them on a good therapist...

Re: Don't the players realise : Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:20 pm  

mystic eddie wrote:

The problem is that what we are now seeing is the result of years of neglect and mismanagement at the club, which has now all come to a head. I am unsure why Mr Green is getting any stick at this time because he has one hell of a mess to sort out.

However, we have been warned. Sadly there are too many moralisers in our support who have been made fools of by swallowing years of lies and bullsh!t from the club and trying to censor anyone who spoke out about. These "self appointed spokespeople" have to take an element of culpability for turning up to fans forums and letting them away with it. (and clapping the very people who willingly destroyed their club)

And, yes, this IS a case of "I told you so." I did. But sadly there were a few empty vessels who made more noise and rallied their Disciples to the Church of Hood and Khan and let them away with it.

There is very little, if any sympathy for Bradford Bulls. We are just one part of the RL game and we should not get any preferential treatment. Especially when we have had more than our fair share of second chances.

I just find it strange that many who seemed incapable of criticising the club for their shameful dealings now seem very verbal in criticising the RFL.

More hypocrisy.

Thank you ME for pointing out how brilliant you were at telling us all how you knew all along we were in the doodoo and how some others believed the then owners and now look silly.

Now stop telling us about the past. This is now. My thread was to point out to the players and to a lesser extent Mr Green, that unless they get their proverbial fingers out of their arrises, the Bulls will be playing in the lower leagues at least next year and possibly longer with a dwindling fan base and the players may not find employment as Superleague players, or indeed professionally employed full time in RL.

If the Bulls went down fighting, then the fans would stand by the club - I've no doubt of that, but we're dying a death of a thousand cuts, playing as we are and as FA has previously said, if the players can't be bothered why should I (and we should take 'I' as meaning all the Bulls fans).

Players, the ball is literally in your hands. You do the hard work on the field and you will work towards securing your reputation and jobs and we the fans might still have a club worth supporting. Mr Green May also keep a viable business.