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: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:24 pm  
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Nope. Once he has a valid work visa for one EU member country, he is entitled to enter any other EU country in carrying out his work. (edit: not to self – read thread)



The Kolpak ruling disagrees with you



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: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:25 pm  
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Note to tb......enjoy arguing with Chris28 who is employed in that field of work.


Don't big it up too much, I might be wrong! EEA stuff isn't my strongpoint! :lol:
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: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:26 pm  
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On the basis of those 2 Bird would need permanent residence in France before he benefits under EEA Law.


Not a problem, if he claims that his main residence is in France, under the Jacqui Smith (Larging It Off The Taxpayer) Regulations 2009
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: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:32 pm  
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The Kolpak ruling disagrees with you

Does it? I'm not sure that it allows for the overruling of individual nations' border controls. At least it's never been tested in that regard AFAIK.

Catalans are perfectly at liberty to sign him. They're perfectly at liberty to play him. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the UK has to let him in.
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: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:36 pm  
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: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:38 pm  
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Nope. Once he has a valid work visa for one EU member country, he is entitled to enter any other EU country in carrying out his work. (edit: not to self – read thread)

The Kolpak ruling disagrees ...


Beg to differ. Kolpak was a national of a country which has an Association Agreement with the EU in possession of a valid UK work permit, and was therefore to be treated for the purposes of employment as if he was a citizen of an EU country.

As the concept of "work permits" no longer exists, the issue is one of a visa being granted, or not.

Your interpretation, if I read it right, is that being granted a visa to enter one EU state is the same as being granted a visa to enter them all. It's not. If once in he was discriminated against within an employment context then Kolpak would kick in. However the point is whether he is allowed in in the first place. Otherwise we could just pick the EU country with the slackest visa laws, get applicants like Bird to apply for a visa to there, and hey, Bingo!

It will be interesting indeed how they deal with this. Logically, he's a person who has been refused admission despite having jumped through the relevant employment hoops successfully, and the refusal appears to be on "undesirability" grounds. I do not for one minute believe that any decision by France to allow him into their country would in any way be binding on the UK, and indeed it seems completely illogical, unless we've surrendered our border controls to France generally, and not just at Sangatte.
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: Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:02 pm  
How about throwing this into the equation. I have a friend who is in the field. I asked his view - not the official line but his view.

"would not be being paid to work in the United Kingdom and would therefore be here on a Business visit…for which he does not need a visa…and would be here for a genuine business visit- there would be no grounds to refuse him"

what say you to that one
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: Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:21 pm  
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How about throwing this into the equation. I have a friend who is in the field. I asked his view - not the official line but his view.

"would not be being paid to work in the United Kingdom and would therefore be here on a Business visit…for which he does not need a visa…and would be here for a genuine business visit- there would be no grounds to refuse him"

what say you to that one


Wrong! The general grounds already quoted can be used to refuse entry.
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: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:23 am  
The visa I have, which is a life long visa by the way, lets me go to England when ever I want, have all the rights of a UK citizen, but I don't have to vote.

Crazy, I know....but I guess they stopped letting people apply for those type of visas.


As for Bird, his manager has had him signed up to so many clubs in so many competitions, dont even bother with it until he is getting his boots dirty.
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