: Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:55 am  

Chris28 wrote:

Bradford should be spitting feathers.

Are we dehyrdated?

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:10 pm  

af wrote:

Are we dehyrdated?

Maybe. Or maybe I should check my metaphors

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:41 pm  

Chris28 wrote: We are going over it again! He was refused permission to enter the UK. Period. (The visa is a pre-arrival clearance of entry only) The general rules apply to all catergories of entry to the UK, so a person who wants to study here is subject to the same rules as a person who wants to work, or to visit or to live with their partner, in addition to the specific rules related to their reason for coming. See here Using Crocker as an example as he has a conviction, he qualified under the working rules but failed under the general rules (I think ) and a person coming to study might also qualify under the student rules but fail under the general rules because he had been refused a visa before and didn't declare it, for example. These rules mean all bets are off in any circumstances, regardless of whether you qualify in the other part of the rules. As a sports visitor who plans to leave at the end of his visit, is he not exempt from leave to enter requirements?

Chris28 wrote: We are going over it again! He was refused permission to enter the UK. Period. (The visa is a pre-arrival clearance of entry only) The general rules apply to all catergories of entry to the UK, so a person who wants to study here is subject to the same rules as a person who wants to work, or to visit or to live with their partner, in addition to the specific rules related to their reason for coming. See here Using Crocker as an example as he has a conviction, he qualified under the working rules but failed under the general rules (I think ) and a person coming to study might also qualify under the student rules but fail under the general rules because he had been refused a visa before and didn't declare it, for example. These rules mean all bets are off in any circumstances, regardless of whether you qualify in the other part of the rules. As a sports visitor who plans to leave at the end of his visit, is he not exempt from leave to enter requirements?

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:00 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

As a sports visitor who plans to leave at the end of his visit, is he not exempt from leave to enter requirements?

No

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:14 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

No

So if he was an Australian-born salesman, working for a French company, he'd have to get a visa to come over here and meet potential UK buyers?

Doesn't the fact that he's not actually working for a UK company mean he becomes a non-visa national who can enter the UK as a visitor under the rules for sportspeople?

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:25 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

So if he was an Australian-born salesman, working for a French company, he'd have to get a visa to come over here and meet potential UK buyers?

Doesn't the fact that he's not actually working for a UK company mean he becomes a non-visa national who can enter the UK as a visitor under the rules for sportspeople?

No visa needed but would still have to satisfy the immigration officer that he qualifies for entry when he arrives, using exactly the same rules.

If he's got a criminal conviction he might or might not get in. Visitors still have to satisfy the general rules, which is why I'm surprised Bird got in. The refusal of the visa will be marked in his passport and should have been spotted when he handed his passport over. He probably qualified in other areas and was given the benfit of the doubt, but seems odd to me.

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:28 pm  

the french have there ways

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:17 pm  

fredie wrote:

the french have there ways

"Their".