Re: Leigh : Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:00 pm  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

Ironically after all the bleating about it Leigh more than likely would've replaced Trinity if licensing was still in place.

Without the return of P&R, we'd have never seen the investment we have seen and so I doubt we would have been anywhere near being favoured for a licence. No-one seemed interested in shovelling good money after bad when relying on a process that told our club that our new & completed stadium didn't exist in any meaningful sense? A process that rated Celtic Crusaders as better than Widnes & Leigh.

The club can rise and fall on it's own merit now, so the investment has come.

P.S. Wakefield playing out of Dewsbury in SL. That's going to be a car crash.

Re: Leigh : Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:22 pm  

Peaked too soon, or just choked? Which one?

Re: Leigh : Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:29 pm  

Well they certainly were too good for the Championship. Sadly, not good enough for SL

A tip for next season, don't be quite so cocky

Re: Leigh : Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:47 pm  

Michael_Ward wrote:

Without the return of P&R, we'd have never seen the investment we have seen and so I doubt we would have been anywhere near being favoured for a licence. No-one seemed interested in shovelling good money after bad when relying on a process that told our club that our new & completed stadium didn't exist in any meaningful sense? A process that rated Celtic Crusaders as better than Widnes & Leigh.

Celtic Crusaders made the NL1 Grand Final in 2008 and under a system of automatic P&R would've been promoted as one of the top 2 Championship clubs as Super League expanded to 14. Even under the current system they would've been strong contenders for promotion, whereas Leigh and Widnes would not.

If your club didn't want to put in the investment to allow them to make SL under the old system then whose fault is that?

Re: Leigh : Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:26 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Well they certainly were too good for the Championship. Sadly, not good enough for SL

A tip for next season, don't be quite so cocky

How 'many Leigh fans were cocky' 9 or 10 ? Really some folk on here.....

Re: Leigh : Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:24 pm  

headhunter wrote:

Celtic Crusaders made the NL1 Grand Final in 2008 and under a system of automatic P&R would've been promoted as one of the top 2 Championship clubs as Super League expanded to 14. Even under the current system they would've been strong contenders for promotion, whereas Leigh and Widnes would not.

If your club didn't want to put in the investment to allow them to make SL under the old system then whose fault is that?

They did get promoted one year, got hammered week in and week out and were, I think -apologies if I'm wrong, the only team to be relegated from SL the year after they came up. But that wasn't their fault. It was because they didn't have enough time to recruit after being promoted. They had the same time as other teams that came up but it wasn't enough for poor little Leigh. And the years they didn't get promoted under P&R wasn't their fault either - if was cos of parachute payments. I forget now why they weren't in division 1 every year it existed before SL but I'm pretty sure it wasn't Leigh's fault

Re: Leigh : Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:18 pm  

Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo wrote:

I bet you're gutted.

Now now Wollo you're an interesting poster who usually makes good, relevant points. Don't turn into chissitt.

Re: Leigh : Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:59 am  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

Peaked too soon, or just choked? Which one?

Choked IMHO.

Re: Leigh : Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:01 pm  

headhunter wrote:

Celtic Crusaders made the NL1 Grand Final in 2008 and under a system of automatic P&R would've been promoted as one of the top 2 Championship clubs as Super League expanded to 14.

True.

Yet irrelevant.

Celtic Crusaders had a decent side, but no club infrastructure to speak of and no foundations for success. Their promotion would have given them 1 season in the top flight, a rude shock and probably bankruptcy. They were not ready for the big time. As it was, they were guaranteed 3 years before reality bit properly.

Even under the current system they would've been strong contenders for promotion, whereas Leigh and Widnes would not.

Speculation.

If your club didn't want to put in the investment to allow them to make SL under the old system then whose fault is that?

I'll come back to this one later

Re: Leigh : Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:06 pm  

Michael_Ward wrote:

True.

Yet irrelevant.

Celtic Crusaders had a decent side, but no club infrastructure to speak of and no foundations for success. Their promotion would have given them 1 season in the top flight, a rude shock and probably bankruptcy. They were not ready for the big time. As it was, they were guaranteed 3 years before reality bit properly.

The club actually did have solid infrastructure as evidenced by the number of South Wales club-developed players that are still playing in SL despite the club only being there for one season. What they didn't have was a legit owner and the RFL should've made sure that Samuel wasn't a crook before admitting them to SL. The off-field organization was also a shambles in the first season. It's irrelevant though as we're talking about a system of P&R based solely on on-field success, and Celtic would've been promoted under such a system regardless of any of this. Whether or not you think they deserved a license is immaterial.

Speculation.

No, under the current Super 8's system the qualifying Championship teams would've been Salford, Celtic Crusaders, Halifax and Leigh. I didn't think Leigh finished that high so my mistake there, but Widnes certainly wouldn't have been involved.