Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:15 pm  

Steve Fox wrote:

kicking it after it hit the ground is part of the definition of a drop kick.
nor did he lose control of the ball - he deliberately dropped it with the intention of kicking it.

dropkick - (football) kicking (as for a field goal) in which the football is dropped and kicked as it touches the ground

Your definition is incorrect. The one I pasted is correct.
It was clearly a knock-on by Maguire.
Tomkins, in tackling Maguire by the arms, caused him to drop it. Quick thinking Maguire, then put his foot to it.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:49 pm  

Salty wrote:

dropkick - (football) kicking (as for a field goal) in which the football is dropped and kicked as it touches the ground

Your definition is incorrect. The one I pasted is correct.

Errm, no.

Not sure where your version comes from, but the laws of the game state

"DROP KICK is a kick whereby the ball is dropped from the hands (or
hand) and is kicked immediately it rebounds from the
ground."

which is what the OP said.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:33 pm  

prehensile wrote:

Errm, no.

Not sure where your version comes from, but the laws of the game state

"DROP KICK is a kick whereby the ball is dropped from the hands (or
hand) and is kicked immediately it rebounds from the
ground."

which is what the OP said.

Grammatically, as it touches and immediately do not mean the same but when I played and drop-kicked the ball I always tried to kick it at the same time or immediately it rebounds which are a millisecond apart.
I certainly never dropped it on the floor, like Maguire, about 15 centimetres from my foot and then kicked it.
We all know what a drop-kick is and I can't understand posters who say it was a drop-kick.

I googled 'definition of a drop-kick' and that's where I got my definition from.

I thought there would be more discussion of the Carmont forward pass or the Leeds' taking out of Richards off the ball which were both overlooked.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:09 pm  

Salty wrote:

It was clearly a knock-on by Maguire.
Tomkins, in tackling Maguire by the arms, caused him to drop it. Quick thinking Maguire, then put his foot to it.

Whilst I agree that Mcguire knocked on, I think you'll find that Tompkins actually tackled him whilst he was attempting a grubber kick.

A good move by a good stand-off prevented by a timely tackle from a good full back.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:14 pm  

prehensile wrote:

Errm, no.

Not sure where your version comes from, but the laws of the game state

"DROP KICK is a kick whereby the ball is dropped from the hands (or
hand) and is kicked immediately it rebounds from the
ground."

which is what the OP said.

Which McGuire didnt do , so it wasn't a drop kick of any description

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:43 pm  

My only question would be "Why have we needed 7 pages to convince some people that he DID actually knock on". If they are struggling with such a simple scenario then they are surely watching the wrong sport.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:06 pm  

Hessle Roader wrote:

My only question would be "Why have we needed 7 pages to convince some people that he DID actually knock on". If they are struggling with such a simple scenario then they are surely watching the wrong sport.

ahem

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:55 pm  

McGuire's worst effort was the dreadful 'tackle' attempt he made in the first half on his own line which enabled Wigan to score on the right wing when they started off with fewer players than the Leeds defence down the right. The fact that he messed up a more high-risk play later in the game is relatively minor. Assuming Leeds had a decent coach, I know which event I'd be more bothered about.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:59 am  

Anybody read what Martyn Sadler said in the League Express?

(I haven't but ive been told of an interesting point about the DK rule)

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:20 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

McGuire's worst effort was the dreadful 'tackle' attempt he made in the first half on his own line which enabled Wigan to score on the right wing when they started off with fewer players than the Leeds defence down the right. The fact that he messed up a more high-risk play later in the game is relatively minor. Assuming Leeds had a decent coach, I know which event I'd be more bothered about.

Finally a decent view from a Leeds fan. Pointed this out earlier. His tackle effort was shocking, actually, it was laughable.

He did drop the ball though, how anyone can argue against it is beyond me.