Re: phil bentham : Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:15 pm  

craigizzard wrote:

And to put a cherry on top there was a voluntary tackle on the last play.

Laughable.

I saw that too and it should have been a penalty to the Giants without a doubt
I also thought that Broughs drop goal should have been allowed

Saints were only slightly more lucky than Wigan today though

Re: phil bentham : Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:20 pm  

There's a few people getting confused. What the video showed is neither here nor there. A DG is awarded by the referee. It has to be based on what he thinks he sees, and as we saw from the different angles, what a ref sees with a DG is entirely dependent upon where he's standing.

You don't get many DGs at the level I referee, but they're easily the hardest decision to make. You're trying to get the line set, watch the PTB, keep the offside for the chargedown (everyone's pumped up because it's in the red zone), and suddenly some bugger kicks it, and you have to whip round and make a snap decision from wherever you happen to be standing. If you're lucky, it goes through the posts so you can see it go behind the nearest post and in front of the furthest. But if it goes over the top, you have to take your best shot. It's a little harder than sitting on an armchair watching a slow motion replay from plum behind the sticks.

FWIW I thought it was a goal. But if I'd been on the pitch, especially given the "other" angle, I could well imagine deciding it wasn't.

There are ALWAYS 50-50 decisions in every game - ball-steal or loose carry; quick markers or not square; offside or good linespeed - and part of our game is that occasionally the officials get one wrong. If it happens in the first sixty minutes, nobody cares. If it happens in a one-sided game, nobody cares. If it happens but doesn't lead to a score, nobody cares. The ref is just the ref and gets on with stuff.

If it happens in the last minute of a tight cup tie on telly, with thousands watching and results in a deciding call, then everybody cares and you're a "cheating c**t".

I feel for Bentham, to be honest. Could happen to any of us, and it's just one of those things. Other than that, I thought he had a pretty good game.

Re: phil bentham : Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:22 pm  

Drop goals are definitely within the remit of the video ref, Danny brough had one referred to video ref in playoffs against Warrington in playoffs a few years ago.

Re: phil bentham : Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:26 pm  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

There's a few people getting confused. What the video showed is neither here nor there. A DG is awarded by the referee. It has to be based on what he thinks he sees, and as we saw from the different angles, what a ref sees with a DG is entirely dependent upon where he's standing.

You don't get many DGs at the level I referee, but they're easily the hardest decision to make. You're trying to get the line set, watch the PTB, keep the offside for the chargedown (everyone's pumped up because it's in the red zone), and suddenly some bugger kicks it, and you have to whip round and make a snap decision from wherever you happen to be standing. If you're lucky, it goes through the posts so you can see it go behind the nearest post and in front of the furthest. But if it goes over the top, you have to take your best shot. It's a little harder than sitting on an armchair watching a slow motion replay from plum behind the sticks.

FWIW I thought it was a goal. But if I'd been on the pitch, especially given the "other" angle, I could well imagine deciding it wasn't.

There are ALWAYS 50-50 decisions in every game - ball-steal or loose carry; quick markers or not square; offside or good linespeed - and part of our game is that occasionally the officials get one wrong. If it happens in the first sixty minutes, nobody cares. If it happens in a one-sided game, nobody cares. If it happens but doesn't lead to a score, nobody cares. The ref is just the ref and gets on with stuff.

If it happens in the last minute of a tight cup tie on telly, with thousands watching and results in a deciding call, then everybody cares and you're a "cheating c**t".

I feel for Bentham, to be honest. Could happen to any of us, and it's just one of those things. Other than that, I thought he had a pretty good game.

Re: phil bentham : Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:33 pm  

What does Dr Marwank think?

Re: phil bentham : Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:36 pm  

We don't need Huddersfield in the Challenge Cup if they are going to employ brutal thugs like Brett Ferres. What he did was unforgivable. I do hope he gets a full three months ban (13 weeks).

Bentham's decision to give him a red card was carefully considered, but unavoidable.

Thank goodness Johnny Lomax was OK. It could have been another tragedy like Alex McKinnon's --- in which case Ferres could have been banned for life.

Re: phil bentham : Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:51 pm  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

There's a few people getting confused. What the video showed is neither here nor there. A DG is awarded by the referee. It has to be based on what he thinks he sees, and as we saw from the different angles, what a ref sees with a DG is entirely dependent upon where he's standing.

You don't get many DGs at the level I referee, but they're easily the hardest decision to make. You're trying to get the line set, watch the PTB, keep the offside for the chargedown (everyone's pumped up because it's in the red zone), and suddenly some bugger kicks it, and you have to whip round and make a snap decision from wherever you happen to be standing. If you're lucky, it goes through the posts so you can see it go behind the nearest post and in front of the furthest. But if it goes over the top, you have to take your best shot. It's a little harder than sitting on an armchair watching a slow motion replay from plum behind the sticks.

FWIW I thought it was a goal. But if I'd been on the pitch, especially given the "other" angle, I could well imagine deciding it wasn't.

There are ALWAYS 50-50 decisions in every game - ball-steal or loose carry; quick markers or not square; offside or good linespeed - and part of our game is that occasionally the officials get one wrong. If it happens in the first sixty minutes, nobody cares. If it happens in a one-sided game, nobody cares. If it happens but doesn't lead to a score, nobody cares. The ref is just the ref and gets on with stuff.

If it happens in the last minute of a tight cup tie on telly, with thousands watching and results in a deciding call, then everybody cares and you're a "cheating c**t".

I feel for Bentham, to be honest. Could happen to any of us, and it's just one of those things. Other than that, I thought he had a pretty good game.

Fantastic post Roy, very informative. Why do you think some referees refer try/no try decisions to the video ref when they seem quite obviously straightforward. I am thinking of when the grounding is obviously good and hasn't been done through a crowd of would be tacklers. Sometimes they seem to be over cautious, or am I missing something obvious?

Re: Phil Bentham cheat : Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:53 pm  

TheElectricGlidingWarrior wrote:

Walsh lost the ball so he has every right to go for it. Walsh had no right to stand up and strike him.

Thats how i seen it,and for me that penalty kinda led to hudds down fall

Re: phil bentham : Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:05 pm  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

There's a few people getting confused. What the video showed is neither here nor there. A DG is awarded by the referee. It has to be based on what he thinks he sees, and as we saw from the different angles, what a ref sees with a DG is entirely dependent upon where he's standing.

You don't get many DGs at the level I referee, but they're easily the hardest decision to make. You're trying to get the line set, watch the PTB, keep the offside for the chargedown (everyone's pumped up because it's in the red zone), and suddenly some bugger kicks it, and you have to whip round and make a snap decision from wherever you happen to be standing. If you're lucky, it goes through the posts so you can see it go behind the nearest post and in front of the furthest. But if it goes over the top, you have to take your best shot. It's a little harder than sitting on an armchair watching a slow motion replay from plum behind the sticks.

FWIW I thought it was a goal. But if I'd been on the pitch, especially given the "other" angle, I could well imagine deciding it wasn't.

There are ALWAYS 50-50 decisions in every game - ball-steal or loose carry; quick markers or not square; offside or good linespeed - and part of our game is that occasionally the officials get one wrong. If it happens in the first sixty minutes, nobody cares. If it happens in a one-sided game, nobody cares. If it happens but doesn't lead to a score, nobody cares. The ref is just the ref and gets on with stuff.

If it happens in the last minute of a tight cup tie on telly, with thousands watching and results in a deciding call, then everybody cares and you're a "cheating c**t".

I feel for Bentham, to be honest. Could happen to any of us, and it's just one of those things. Other than that, I thought he had a pretty good game.

Exactly why he should have gone to the video ref.

Re: phil bentham : Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:05 pm  

A good argument for 3D TV