: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:48 pm  

Wellsy13 wrote:

I've already said what I think. If I'm the expert, why question me?

You can't act like a clever clogs and then play stupid. It adds nothing. You've obviously questioned something I have said. Add something to it...

I'll answer it for you. Halifax arent even in the same universe in terms of current finances, and the history of crowd sizes or playing success just doesn't bear comparison either.

: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:49 pm  

classycas2009 wrote:

classycas2009 wrote: Are you haveing a laugh, So Leeds UTD are not suffuring.

So Wigan or Leeds wouldnt suffer either? erm yes i think they would



You got me wrong.

Leeds utd are not leeds rhinos....football is not rugby.

Leeds utd are getting smaller crowds then when in premership...their income is lower than when in premership...their profile is lower than when in the premership..They are worse off for been in the D2.

So leeds rhinos wouldnt get lower crowds in NRL1? So rhino's profile would be just as high in NRL1? So rhinos income wouldnt be worse off in NRL1?

So your point of Cas wouldnt be worse off if they wasnt in SL is funny at the best

If the sport grows so that the Championship in 2020/30/40/whatever is bigger than SL is now, then no they will not. Which is the point. They are trying to grow the game, grow the revenues, grow everything so that the sport is bigger and it is better at all levels.

Is it better to be a big fish in a small pond? Or a smaller fish in a bigger pond?

: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:51 pm  

Wellsy13 wrote:

Is it better to be a big fish in a small pond? Or a smaller fish in a bigger pond?

If it means competing at the highest level then Small fish please

: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:51 pm  

Viking Vengeance wrote:

I'll answer it for you. Halifax arent even in the same universe in terms of current finances, and the history of crowd sizes or playing success just doesn't bear comparison either.

Oh, that's just the tip of the ice berg, but lets hear what Wellsy has to say first.

: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:54 pm  

Pepe wrote:

RL seems to be more akin to a super market 'Pick And Mix' than a genuine sporting contest.

The constant willy waving that goes on on these threads is creating a lot of bad feeling and discontent amongst fans, particularly for those fans which feel their club is most at risk and are having to defend their club against the constant snipes of the smug lovers who know they are safe.

I used to be proud of this sport.

Every team in the NFL is a franchise awarded to an owner(s) based on a competitive bidding process. There was never any promotion from a lower tier, nor was there in any other North American pro sport -- there is no such thing as promotion and relegation here, never has been and never will be. It does not follow that there isn't a genuine sporting contest in these leagues, just ask their players about their training regimen and the competitive nature of their games. RL remains a very genuine sporting contest, and will remain so regardless of whether it has promotion and relegation.

: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:55 pm  

Can't believe the idiot has created a 9 page thread for his own amusement!

: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:55 pm  

Pepe wrote:

You mentioned that they were better on the field at the moment and that would normally do for me, I like P&R. But that is only on small part of the licence application isn't it?

So...?

I also mentioned ground improvements being done. And also mentioned that they would need to improve their gates.

And if Widnes fail to make a final (or whatever the requirement is now) and therefore don't get considered for a franchise, then this 'small' criteria appears to be a lot bigger than first imagined.

So... yes, they are pushing them. I doubt they'll get one, mind. But it would be ignorant to think Widnes don't have any other franchise competition come 2012.

: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:57 pm  

Big Picture wrote:

Every team in the NFL is a franchise awarded to an owner(s) based on a competitive bidding process. There was never any promotion from a lower tier, nor was there in any other North American pro sport -- there is no such thing as promotion and relegation here, never has been and never will be. It does not follow that there isn't a genuine sporting contest in these leagues, just ask their players about their training regimen and the competitive nature of their games. RL remains a very genuine sporting contest, and will remain so regardless of whether it has promotion and relegation.

But we aren't american and as such aren't used to this type of competition, Promotion and Relegation has (almost) always been part of UK sport.

: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:59 pm  

TFC wrote:

If it means competing at the highest level then Small fish please

What if that highest level is considerably smaller than a much bigger competition's second tier?

: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:01 pm  

Wellsy13 wrote:

What if that highest level is considerably smaller than a much bigger competition's second tier?

Smaller in what way?