Re: Ben Flower : Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:21 pm  

Lots of righteous indignation on show this evening. They just got on with it back in the day.

Lots of righteous indignation on show this evening. They just got on with it back in the day.

Re: Ben Flower : Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:21 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Well considering Flower hit him first then why not give some back?

I don't think he 'hit him', they collided while chasing the kick. And regardless, I'm not sure what Hohaia was expecting to happen by attacking a 17 stone prop from behind and trying to cheap shot him with a forearm smash to the jaw. Absolutely no sympathy, he fully deserved to be knocked out. Again, if the roles were reversed and Hohaia was the bigger man then he would have knocked Flower out cold and probably broken his jaw. Obviously Hohaia didn't deserve to be punched on the ground, but the intent was there from both men, both should have been sent off and Flower shouldn't be singled out just because he's the bigger and stronger of the two.

Re: Ben Flower : Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:22 pm  

headhunter wrote:

If Hohaia was a bigger man he would have knocked Flower out and broken his jaw. He didn't deserve to be punched on the ground, but he definitely deserved the first punch which knocked him out and should have also been sent off.Maybe he should have thought about that before he sprinted 20 years to elbow Ben Flower in the head.

On that basis Flower deserved to be knocked out by Hohaia's elbow.

Flower knocking him over in the first place kicked it all off

Re: Ben Flower : Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:22 pm  

headhunter wrote:

If Hohaia was a bigger man he would have knocked Flower out and broken his jaw. He didn't deserve to be punched on the ground, but he definitely deserved the first punch which knocked him out and should have also been sent off.Maybe he should have thought about that before he sprinted 20 years to elbow Ben Flower in the head.

Hohaia reacted to a swinging arm to the back of the head by Flower when the kick went up....watch the highlights.

All of this which will tarnish our game for months was started and finished by Ben Flower.

Re: Ben Flower : Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:22 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

Firstly you can't press charges for an offence on a rugby pitch, stop being stupid.


Secondly as I said I'm not trying to justify or allay any guilt, just trying to find out what happened. Bored on the train on the way back init.

I do apologize for the late reply but I think I would reserve judgment on the 'stop being stupid' comment till you do a little research( I've got better things to do than cite chapter and verse legal presidence for actually being ABLE to do exactly what i suggested Lance should do)but as i have said I am not here to do your homework for you.I would feel stupid if I had been a tadge premature calling others stupid .Engage brain before mouth runs away <sound advice.
Oh and that old nutmeg "just trying to find out what happened" equivocation doesnt wash, now that does make you look silly.

Re: Ben Flower : Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:25 pm  

headhunter wrote:

I don't think he 'hit him', they collided while chasing the kick. And regardless, I'm not sure what Hohaia was expecting to happen by attacking a 17 stone prop from behind and trying to cheap shot him with a forearm smash to the jaw. Absolutely no sympathy, he fully deserved to be knocked out. Again, if the roles were reversed and Hohaia was the bigger man then he would have knocked Flower out cold and probably broken his jaw. Obviously Hohaia didn't deserve to be punched on the ground, but the intent was there from both men, both should have been sent off and Flower shouldn't be singled out just because he's the bigger and stronger of the two.

As if we didn't already know, Headhunter is a tool.

Re: Ben Flower : Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:25 pm  

headhunter wrote:

I don't think he 'hit him', they collided while chasing the kick. And regardless, I'm not sure what Hohaia was expecting to happen by attacking a 17 stone prop from behind and trying to cheap shot him with a forearm smash to the jaw. Absolutely no sympathy, he fully deserved to be knocked out. Again, if the roles were reversed and Hohaia was the bigger man then he would have knocked Flower out cold and probably broken his jaw. Obviously Hohaia didn't deserve to be punched on the ground, but the intent was there from both men, both should have been sent off and Flower shouldn't be singled out just because he's the bigger and stronger of the two.

Yes he did, so if somebody hit you from behind, how would you react?

No excuses

Re: Ben Flower : Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:26 pm  

William Eve wrote: Lots of righteous indignation on show this evening. They just got on with it back in the day. Watched that twice but still haven't seen the attack on the sparked out guy. Have I missed it? Nowt wrong with biff but Flower was just a thug tonight.

William Eve wrote: Lots of righteous indignation on show this evening. They just got on with it back in the day. Watched that twice but still haven't seen the attack on the sparked out guy. Have I missed it? Nowt wrong with biff but Flower was just a thug tonight.

Re: Ben Flower : Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:26 pm  

William Eve wrote: Lots of righteous indignation on show this evening. They just got on with it back in the day. And all without even a hint of homophobia too, I bet.

William Eve wrote: Lots of righteous indignation on show this evening. They just got on with it back in the day. And all without even a hint of homophobia too, I bet.

Re: Ben Flower : Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:26 pm  

duke street 10 wrote:

Hohaia reacted to a swinging arm to the back of the head by Flower when the kick went up....watch the highlights.

All of this which will tarnish our game for months was started and finished by Ben Flower.

Flower was shoving him out of the way, it was a collision while chasing a kick, the sort of thing that happens all the time and wouldn't even result in a second look normally. You're painting Flower as the bad guy because of what happened afterwards, the initial incident was just part of the game, Hohaia chasing after Flower to smash him in the jaw definitely wasn't.