: Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:53 pm  

Next home game for Hull is Quins. 44 five figure crowds in a row in league matches could be under threat.

: Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:42 am  

Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:

Next home game for Hull is Quins. 44 five figure crowds in a row in league matches could be under threat.

They still manages over 12k for the last home game of the season last year and they were worse off then......and that was 2k more than the Hull derby the following week

: Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:58 am  

Leeds 15285
Wigan 14291
Hull FC 12994
St Helens 12014
Bradford 9974
Warrington 9164
Catalans 9137
Hull KR 8482
Hudd 7803
Castleford 7658
Wakefield 5842
Salford 4427
Celtic 3646
Quins 3512

: Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:18 am  

Cas Man wrote:

Leeds 15285
Wigan 14291
Hull FC 12994
St Helens 12014
Bradford 9974
Warrington 9164
Catalans 9137
Hull KR 8482
Hudd 7803
Castleford 7658
Wakefield 5842
Salford 4427
Celtic 3646
Quins 3512

I know people will rightly say that Saints should have good crowds given their success, but the gradual improvement in crowds since SL began is excellent given the hell hole we play in.

I think 14-15k average is achievable in the new stadium.

: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:09 am  

Only 2 teams have increased gates this year.

Saints are currently up 12% on last year and Catalan have added 9%.
Huddersfield are currently the same as last year.
HKR and Wigan are down 1%
Hull FC, Bradford, Warrington, Castleford and Quins are down 3%.
Leeds are down 11% and Wakefield are down 19%.

The last 2 are a concern. Leeds, because they are still looking good for another GF appearance and it is puzzling as to why they are down 1,750 a game. Still, with a healthy 5 didgit average, I am sure the problem can be rectified. They also have 2 "big" games coming up at Headingly....in Cas and Saints.
Wakefield on the other hand are a real worry. Over 1,100 down per game should be setting off alarm bells at the club, because if they were to miss out on play off footie this year and they are no nearer the stadium being built in 12 months time, then I believe they should be rightly nervous about to 2011 application process. They have 1 of their last 2 home games v Celtic as well, so their average may well drop even further.

Of the other teams, Quins and Salford really need to pull their fingers out. Whilst Quins have a nice stadium and a good youth set up, as well as ticking the "expansion" box, Salford must have bricks and mortar on site this time 12 months or they will, like Wakey, be looking nervously and the progress of tolouse and the likes of Widnes and Halifax.

Crowds are 2 points in the process, but bad crowds combined with bad stadiums could well prove fatal.

: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:15 am  

gutterfax wrote:

Only 2 teams have increased gates this year.

Saints are currently up 12% on last year and Catalan have added 9%.
Huddersfield are currently the same as last year.
HKR and Wigan are down 1%
Hull FC, Bradford, Warrington, Castleford and Quins are down 3%.
Leeds are down 11% and Wakefield are down 19%.

The last 2 are a concern. Leeds, because they are still looking good for another GF appearance and it is puzzling as to why they are down 1,750 a game. Still, with a healthy 5 didgit average, I am sure the problem can be rectified. They also have 2 "big" games coming up at Headingly....in Cas and Saints.
Wakefield on the other hand are a real worry. Over 1,100 down per game should be setting off alarm bells at the club, because if they were to miss out on play off footie this year and they are no nearer the stadium being built in 12 months time, then I believe they should be rightly nervous about to 2011 application process. They have 1 of their last 2 home games v Celtic as well, so their average may well drop even further.

Of the other teams, Quins and Salford really need to pull their fingers out. Whilst Quins have a nice stadium and a good youth set up, as well as ticking the "expansion" box, Salford must have bricks and mortar on site this time 12 months or they will, like Wakey, be looking nervously and the progress of tolouse and the likes of Widnes and Halifax.

Crowds are 2 points in the process, but bad crowds combined with bad stadiums could well prove fatal.

Our crowds arent down gutterfax, they are in fact up (by 159 currentley).

: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:22 am  

gutterfax wrote:

Only 2 teams have increased gates this year.

Saints are currently up 12% on last year and Catalan have added 9%.
Huddersfield are currently the same as last year.
HKR and Wigan are down 1%
Hull FC, Bradford, Warrington, Castleford and Quins are down 3%.
Leeds are down 11% and Wakefield are down 19%.

The last 2 are a concern. Leeds, because they are still looking good for another GF appearance and it is puzzling as to why they are down 1,750 a game. Still, with a healthy 5 didgit average, I am sure the problem can be rectified. They also have 2 "big" games coming up at Headingly....in Cas and Saints.
Wakefield on the other hand are a real worry. Over 1,100 down per game should be setting off alarm bells at the club, because if they were to miss out on play off footie this year and they are no nearer the stadium being built in 12 months time, then I believe they should be rightly nervous about to 2011 application process. They have 1 of their last 2 home games v Celtic as well, so their average may well drop even further.

Of the other teams, Quins and Salford really need to pull their fingers out. Whilst Quins have a nice stadium and a good youth set up, as well as ticking the "expansion" box, Salford must have bricks and mortar on site this time 12 months or they will, like Wakey, be looking nervously and the progress of tolouse and the likes of Widnes and Halifax.

Crowds are 2 points in the process, but bad crowds combined with bad stadiums could well prove fatal.

Leeds may be due to their main derby rivals being rubbish this year, and part of the southstand closed so no 20k+ attendances.
Wakey is a mystery, playing well, probably a playoff spot to boot and a good rivalry with cas and now bradford as well. Some serious marketing needed there. I'm very dissapointed with salford as well, a once great club. That said if saints were 13th we'd average 5-6k tops.

: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:46 am  

pyeman wrote:

Our crowds arent down gutterfax, they are in fact up (by 159 currentley).

Take my figures from the ever reliable SLSTATS site and as such, you are correct to pull me up. Castleford are actually up 2%.....

Still, the main point of the post was that Salford and Wakey are the teams with the biggest worries at present.

Celtic will be given time and as much as it pains me to say it, but Quins will probably get another 3 years to increase crowds. Widnes will implode if they don't get in next time and therefore, if the leage is to remain at 14, then something (or someone) will have to give way. If crowds continue to fall (overall 2% this year so far), then I really can't see the existing 14 taking a hit on SKY revenue to expand to 16.

[Wildthing]

: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:50 am  

Cas Man wrote:

Leeds 15285
Wigan 14291
Hull FC 12994
St Helens 12014
Bradford 9974
Warrington 9164
Catalans 9137
Hull KR 8482
Hudd 7803
Castleford 7658
Wakefield 5842
Salford 4427
Celtic 3646
Quins 3512

Wakefield will finish the regular season at over 6k finished last season at 7k.

Not a total disaster but not great.

: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:55 am  

Wildthing wrote:

Wakefield will finish the regular season at over 6k finished last season at 7k.

Not a total disaster but not great.

I am not having a go (as a london fan, how could I), BUT

2009 2008 Change
5842 6,961 -19%

IS a disaster. Without turning this into a licence/stadium debate, this is yr1 and at the end of the first season, you may well finish 8th for the 3rd season in a row, have lost 20%+ on your gates and be no nearer a stadium than when you applied.
Not fatal, but not what I would call moving in the right direction either.