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| The game is on its knees financially.
Most clubs - despite the handouts are on the brink.
Here we have a Man who has saved one club - could well save another (Swinton) & has the resources to buy virtually every club in the RFL & Super League.
So - what do the RFL do?
I just think this is a huge own goal. As the Jap Admiral said in Tora Tora Tora `I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."
Despite the daft title to this thread by the OP I would be delighted to be called mad if I had his financial muscle.
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| Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"The game is on its knees financially.
Most clubs - despite the handouts are on the brink.
Here we have a Man who has saved one club - could well save another (Swinton) & has the resources to buy virtually every club in the RFL & Super League.
So - what do the RFL do?
I just think this is a huge own goal. As the Jap Admiral said in Tora Tora Tora `I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."
Despite the daft title to this thread by the OP I would be delighted to be called mad if I had his financial muscle.'"
So tell us, which other operational rules do you think the RFL should ignore?
"He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy".
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| Charlie - You are new to the Forum and presumably new to the game.
The Doctor has provided more column inches in the National Press this last year than many years combined previously.
The meeting was a meeting of Supporters & he used the f word to get his point over. Probably at the rate of £200 per f word.
The man is a breath of fresh air and not one to take lightly & the game needs more of his ilk.
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| Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"The game is on its knees financially.'"
Really? I seem to recall the RFL having a pretty decent few years financially and there being a few bob in the bank.
Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"Most clubs - despite the handouts are on the brink.'"
Most eh? Wakefield are now living within their means, as are Castleford. HKR are edging towards self sufficiency and other than Bradford, I see little evidence of anyone being on their knees. Even London are now back on a financial footing after the restructure. The owner has rediscovered his passion and has declared publicly he will not let the club fold.
Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"Here we have a Man who has saved one club - could well save another (Swinton) & has the resources to buy virtually every club in the RFL & Super League.'"
So what? He's wealthy, but that doesn't give him the right to ride roughshod over the game and it's governing body...or their operational rules for that matter.
Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"So - what do the RFL do? '"
They punish someone who broke the operational rules. That's part of their remit.
Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"I just think this is a huge own goal. '" Good for you, but unfortunately for the Good Doctor, you don't get to make such decisions.
Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"As the Jap Admiral said in Tora Tora Tora `I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."'"
 Way to over-egg the pudding their buddy. Mar can walk if he wants. All we lose is a club in SL who would probably drop down a division or two.....he broke the rules, he gets the penalty. If he can't handle that, then the game is better off without him.
Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"Despite the daft title to this thread by the OP I would be delighted to be called mad if I had his financial muscle.'"
The saying does that the difference between insanity and eccentricity is about £5,000,000. He is most assuredly a character and a breath of fresh air, but he is not above the rules. He now knows that there is a line and he now knows where it is. He's crossed it and it's cost him an amount he probably can find with a quick search down the back of his sofa. If he does it again, I'd be happy to see the RFL smack another 0 on it. He'll learn!
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| A thousand quid ? He probably loses that much down the back of the settee every day.
I'm not a Salford fan and don't have a problem with the Doc. He generates much needed column inches. As long he doesn't believe he's become bigger than the game, let him run.
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"<snip>'"
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"Really? I seem to recall the RFL having a pretty decent few years financially and there being a few bob in the bank.
Most eh? Wakefield are now living within their means, as are Castleford. HKR are edging towards self sufficiency and other than Bradford, I see little evidence of anyone being on their knees. Even London are now back on a financial footing after the restructure. The owner has rediscovered his passion and has declared publicly he will not let the club fold.
So what? He's wealthy, but that doesn't give him the right to ride roughshod over the game and it's governing body...or their operational rules for that matter.
They punish someone who broke the operational rules. That's part of their remit.
Good for you, but unfortunately for the Good Doctor, you don't get to make such decisions.
Way to over-egg the pudding their buddy. Mar can walk if he wants. All we lose is a club in SL who would probably drop down a division or two.....he broke the rules, he gets the penalty. If he can't handle that, then the game is better off without him.
The saying does that the difference between insanity and eccentricity is about £5,000,000. He is most assuredly a character and a breath of fresh air, but he is not above the rules. He now knows that there is a line and he now knows where it is. He's crossed it and it's cost him an amount he probably can find with a quick search down the back of his sofa. If he does it again, I'd be happy to see the RFL smack another 0 on it. He'll learn!'"
Good morning New Zealand - the man with a hands on approach who hasnt paid to see a match for years.
If you feel the game is financially sound then I would like to have a chat with your Bank Manager. He may lend us all a few quid.
Just look at the combined Balance Sheets of all the clubs. Absolute disgrace and the whole lot could collapse in a heartbeat.
Ken Davy is 70+, Jack Fulton 70+ Eamon McManus Retired etc etc. These men will not go on forever to pick up the tab.
Dr K has helped to save Wakey by buying Smith within days of Mr Carter finding the black hole so dont sneer at what he has done.
He has saved Salford and created much needed press in the pro RU newspapers. The devilution is certainly taking shape and upsetting the theorists who sadly fail to put their hands in their pockets.
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| Quote Charlie Sierra="Charlie Sierra"So tell us, which other operational rules do you think the RFL should ignore?
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How about the Fit and Proper Person test as it seems to have failed Bradford Bulls while it is being so well micro-managed by the RFL?
How about the one about being prejudicial to the interests of the game? Bit rich coming from the RFL with their conduct over recent years.
How about the Salary Cap? Looking at clubs outside of Super League now,and how the conduct at Barrow was revealed tends to indicate the RFL haven't got a clue.
Instead they make public something as risible as this.It was a bit of [ibadinage[/i - to a select group of people,none of whom were offended or considered it prejudicial to the sport.
It just indicates the insecurity of the governing body and their continued prejudice towards certain clubs.
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| Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"Good morning New Zealand - '" Kia Ora back atcha!
Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"the man with a hands on approach who hasnt paid to see a match for years.'"
Why pay if I can wrangle freebies? Does that make me less of a fan?
Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"If you feel the game is financially sound then I would like to have a chat with your Bank Manager. He may lend us all a few quid. '"
Alas, it is not my bank manager you need to approach. Mrs G won't let me play with money or sharp objects as I am a danger when I have either..
Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"Just look at the combined Balance Sheets of all the clubs. Absolute disgrace and the whole lot could collapse in a heartbeat. '"
All sports are in this position. You could buy all of SL with the interest payments on the top 10 premiership clubs debts alone......having cash doesn't give anyone the right to "do/say as they please".
Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"Ken Davy is 70+, Jack Fulton 70+ Eamon McManus Retired etc etc. These men will not go on forever to pick up the tab.'"
So? Are you saying the game should whore itself out to younger benefactors? I think David Hughes is a ing lunatic and he's ploughed more money into the Broncos in the last 5 years than Mar will ever dare to drop......and If hughes dropped the F bomb, I'd expect him to get fined too.
Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"Dr K has helped to save Wakey by buying Smith within days of Mr Carter finding the black hole so dont sneer at what he has done.'"
Does he wear his undies outside of his tights? They Guy has "saved" nobody and I hope he is in it for the long run, but for now, all I see is a spin doctor who likes to have things his own way and who whines like a stuck pig when he doesn't get his own way. As I say, a breath of fresh air, but not above the game.
Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"He has saved Salford and created much needed press in the pro RU newspapers. The devilution is certainly taking shape and upsetting the theorists who sadly fail to put their hands in their pockets.'"
Salfords Devilution is taking shape nicely.........good luck to him the club and its fans, but it changes not one Iota the FACT that he broke the rules and got a fine. Deservedly!
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| Quote Leaguefan="Leaguefan"Well they know what they are talking about with their club and team.'"
6 Superleague wins on the bounce........ aren't we!
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| Quote Redchemic="Redchemic"6 Superleague wins on the bounce........poop aren't we!'"

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| Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"Charlie - You are new to the Forum and presumably new to the game.'"
Nope. Not seeing the relevance but it's over forty years since I saw my first game and even following Leeds for all that time didn't put me off
Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"The Doctor has provided more column inches in the National Press this last year than many years combined previously.
The meeting was a meeting of Supporters & he used the f word to get his point over. Probably at the rate of £200 per f word.
The man is a breath of fresh air and not one to take lightly & the game needs more of his ilk.'"
I'm not disputing the publicity he's garnered, albeit with a scattergun approach, he just comes across as petty and petulant when he doesn't get his own way.
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| Quote Charlie Sierra="Charlie Sierra"I'm not disputing the publicity he's garnered, albeit with a scattergun approach, he just comes across as petty and petulant when he doesn't get his own way.'"
This is the attitude towards the Doc that I would say is held by the vast majority of RL Fans across the country.
Unfortunately, a handful of Salford fans take this as an attack on him.....it's not.
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| Quote Red-Devils-PAW="Red-Devils-PAW"How about the Fit and Proper Person test as it seems to have failed Bradford Bulls while it is being so well micro-managed by the RFL?
How about the one about being prejudicial to the interests of the game? Bit rich coming from the RFL with their conduct over recent years.
How about the Salary Cap? Looking at clubs outside of Super League now,and how the conduct at Barrow was revealed tends to indicate the RFL haven't got a clue.'"
No, I don't think they should ignore those operational rules.
Quote Red-Devils-PAW="Red-Devils-PAW"Instead they make public something as risible as this.It was a bit of [ibadinage[/i - to a select group of people,none of whom were offended or considered it prejudicial to the sport.
It just indicates the insecurity of the governing body and their continued prejudice towards certain clubs.'"
Paranoid much?
He broke a rule, the appropriate punishment has been assessed and served. No doubt he'll be on his Twitter soon, bragging about how he can pay that fine out of the loose change in his pocket.
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| Quote Talent Spotter="Talent Spotter"18 pages. LOL.'"
Chris Joynt fell over a few years back in a Grand Final....the Good Dr and his Devils have some ways to go yet... 
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"Chris Joynt fell over a few years back in a Grand Final....the Good Dr and his Devils have some ways to go yet...
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God forbid anyone finds the Willie Talau thread on the Leeds forum a few years back, the Dr is a mere sideshow by comparison.
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"Chris Joynt fell over a few years back in a Grand Final....the Good Dr and his Devils have some ways to go yet...
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This is just one of many, across a range of message forums. People are obsessed with Marwan Koukash, fact.
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| Quote John Gilbert Reds="John Gilbert Reds"This is just one of many, across a range of message forums. People are obsessed with Marwan Koukash, fact.'"
No...it's one of a handful across a couple of forums and the person most obsessed with Marwan Koukash is Marwan Koukash 
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| No...it's one of a handful across a couple of forums and the person most obsessed with Marwan Koukash and makes the most comments is Gutterfax.
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| Quote Charlie Sierra="Charlie Sierra"No, I don't think they should ignore those operational rules.
Paranoid much?
He broke a rule, the appropriate punishment has been assessed and served. No doubt he'll be on his Twitter soon, bragging about how he can pay that fine out of the loose change in his pocket.'"
I am certainly paranoid but you are not qualified to assess it.
If he has been fined for comments prejudicial to the sport there are a host of other chairs/owners who could be dealt with in the same manner.
As you follow Leeds I'll ignore certain examples - and as i'm in a hurry - please explain why Tony Smith was recently fined for comments about the 'club-call' when McManus did exactly the same some time ago without any penalty?
[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyleague/3567263/St-Helens-chief-Eamonn-McManus-slams-expanded-Engage-Super-League-play-offs-as-gimmick-Rugby-League.htmlSTORY[/url
Or Hudgell and his 'foundations of sand'comments?
Or Rowley at Leigh and his 'hang their heads in shame' to the RFL when Crusaders got their Super League Licence?...
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| Quote Red-Devils-PAW="Red-Devils-PAW"I am certainly paranoid '"
OK.
Quote Red-Devils-PAW="Red-Devils-PAW"but you are not qualified to assess it.'"
Hence the question mark. Did you really need a smilie as well? Why so confrontational?
Quote Red-Devils-PAW="Red-Devils-PAW"If he has been fined for comments prejudicial to the sport there are a host of other chairs/owners who could be dealt with in the same manner.
As you follow Leeds I'll ignore certain examples - and as i'm in a hurry - please explain why Tony Smith was recently fined for comments about the 'club-call' when McManus did exactly the same some time ago without any penalty?
[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyleague/3567263/St-Helens-chief-Eamonn-McManus-slams-expanded-Engage-Super-League-play-offs-as-gimmick-Rugby-League.htmlSTORY[/url
Or Hudgell and his 'foundations of sand'comments?
Or Rowley at Leigh and his 'hang their heads in shame' to the RFL when Crusaders got their Super League Licence?...'"
As you're in a hurry I'll save you some time and tell you now that I don't know the answers to your questions and there's no way I could know. You'd have to ask the people who made them. Have you?
Yes, there are glaring inconsistencies in those examples but that doesn't mean that everybody is out to get Salford.
When things have calmed down for you, I'd be interested to hear the Leeds examples. The only one that comes to mind now is McDermott's comments after last year's Catalans game.
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| Of course there should be 2 plyrs not included on the cap. It'll get the media talking more about RL. I want a salary cap, but also I want a minimum spend, if you can't spend 90% of the cap then you shouldn't be in SL, otherwise it's not much more than a pub league.
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| Quote Red-Devils-PAW="Red-Devils-PAW"I am certainly paranoid but you are not qualified to assess it.
If he has been fined for comments prejudicial to the sport there are a host of other chairs/owners who could be dealt with in the same manner.
As you follow Leeds I'll ignore certain examples - and as i'm in a hurry - please explain why Tony Smith was recently fined for comments about the 'club-call' when McManus did exactly the same some time ago without any penalty?
[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyleague/3567263/St-Helens-chief-Eamonn-McManus-slams-expanded-Engage-Super-League-play-offs-as-gimmick-Rugby-League.htmlSTORY[/url
Or Hudgell and his 'foundations of sand'comments?
Or Rowley at Leigh and his 'hang their heads in shame' to the RFL when Crusaders got their Super League Licence?...'"
Tony Smith wasn't fined for criticising the club call. He was fined for not turning up to it.
It's the way you criticise. Swearing, talking of sleeping with women and comparing Nigel Wood to Hitler is not the way to do it. Hence the fine, which Dr Koukash has accepted.
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| Quote OzWelsh="OzWelsh"Of course there should be 2 plyrs not included on the cap. It'll get the media talking more about RL. I want a salary cap, but also I want a minimum spend, if you can't spend 90% of the cap then you shouldn't be in SL, otherwise it's not much more than a pub league.'"
A league of 5/6 teams isn't much more than a pub league either.
Plus the salary cap is only area where clubs need to spend money. Top coaches, conditioning, sports science, analysis, physio & rehab and training facilities is just as important as the money spent on first team players.
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