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Re: phil bentham : Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:13 am  
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Yes it was Jermaine Mcgilvray.

Walsh attempts get up and is held down once more, it was a clear penalty to Saints. As for retaliation, its never punished anymore. Especially for a push at the play the ball. Fielden used to do it at every single play the ball once he was tackled, throughout his career.


McGilvray was lucky not to be put in bin for 10 minutes for holding down like he did, have seen a few players sin binned for similar (think Jamie Shaul was sent against Warrington for less earlier this season IIRC) and that could have seen Huddersfield down to 11 after what Ferres did

The drop goal debate can go on and on, even with the video referee looking at it one angle suggests it went over and another suggests it misses so would be a hard call to make. This didnt cost Huddersfield the game IMO, they had 6 tackles to contain Saints in their own half and out of range for a drop goal and failed to do so...they also had 3 earlier drop goal attempts charged down by Saints players, whereas Walsh was able to convert a drop goal on his first effort. This says to me that late in the game the Saints players efforts were more than the Giants and seemed to want the win more in how they finished.

In all honesty if the boot was on the other foot and Walsh's drop goal had been waved away like Brough's was I would be of the same opinion as most Giants fans that it should have been given but I do think it would have been harsh to give it when it wasnt clear and would have decided the game...tough call for Bentham to make and was always going to upset one set of fans whether he gave it or not. But as said above, Huddersfield still had a chance to stop Saints going down field and kicking a drop goal which they didnt do and that is as much to blame for their loss yesterday than anything else
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Re: phil bentham : Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:23 am  
There wasn't a single person or camera in a better position that Bentham at the point the ball went over the posts, at the base of the left-hand post, looking up. I can't imagine how Ian Smith would have coped with trying to work it out, given the differing camera angles, and the impossibility of working out when it had passed the posts.
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Re: Bentham : Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:03 am  
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As Dally ssays, fans are being turned away from the sport by this incompetence..


So match officials errors are why Huddersfield still can't get a decent attendance?! Thats a cracker

Bentham was in the best position to judge given that two camera angles show two different outcomes
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Re: phil bentham : Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:06 pm  
I assume the debate about the DG is tongue-in-cheek as there can be no doubt whatsoever that it went in.

The ref messed up and there needs to be an enquiry as to why (fatigue?) and more particularly why the video ref wasn't used when the players reacted BEFORE the decision as though it was a DG and then after too?
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Re: phil bentham : Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:11 pm  
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I assume the debate about the DG is tongue-in-cheek as there can be no doubt whatsoever that it went in.

The ref messed up and there needs to be an enquiry as to why (fatigue?) and more particularly why the video ref wasn't used when the players reacted BEFORE the decision as though it was a DG and then after too?

Have you and others not thought that the reason he didn't go to the video referee was because Phil was confident that the ball missed the goal.
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Re: phil bentham : Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:17 pm  
cant believe what i have read about the mcgillvary/walsh incident !

jerry tackled walsh, walsh lost the ball in contact on the ground, jerry appealed for a knock which i could see sat directly across from the tackle...and got up with his arms out then got shoved by walsh

surley this is pen to giants...but no... as usual it goes against us

he didnt hold him down at all
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Re: phil bentham : Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:20 pm  
The Matthew Ridge last minute drop goal attempt in the RLWC semi final of 1995 against Australia at the same venue was more clear cut.
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Re: phil bentham : Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:22 pm  
When those who say it definately went over are saying this, have they watched it from both sides. How anyone can be definate when 2 different perspectives give 2 different answers is beyond me.

Also the drop goal would not have ensured the win. Dropping someone on their head will ensure getting sent off.
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Re: phil bentham : Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:25 pm  
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I'm convinced that the trajectory of the ball at no point wavers beyond the inside of the posts at any point, after it has gone past the posts maybe as the ball is gaining height for some time past the posts and the wind may have gotten hold of it..
At the very very worst/squinted back end shot it goes over the upright which is a successful goal kick is it not?
In baseball in a few grounds now they've stopped putting the pitcher's camera angle at 10-15 degree off centre due to fans 'seeing' what they thought were 'balls' (outside the hitting zone) being called as strikes by the Ump'. That's because of the false trajectory that the angle was creating to viewers at home.


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Re: phil bentham : Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:26 pm  
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Have you and others not thought that the reason he didn't go to the video referee was because Phil was confident that the ball missed the goal.


Why was he "confident" when 25 players and 7,150 spectators thought it was in? Was he tired?
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