Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:15 am  

Don't act daft - Obviously it's no disgrace if a team doesn't win every game ... but it's ridiculous that teams go into league games with no intention of trying to win them.... and that is what is happening.

To accommodate an 'end of season finale' consisting of 9 games, two of which the loser gets a second chance at, the RFL/Sky/ Cameron (as he seems to get the blame for everything even if he wasn't PM when it started) have made a nonsense of probably 50+ league games, for many of which the tickets have been pre-sold by way of season tickets. I pay to watch a competitive game of rugby, not 13 a side WWF!

So instead of giving the club all the money upfront, I'll keep it in my pocket and, when I feel like giving a toss, I'll put effort into paying to watch! I'm not happy with whats happening, and that's my choice .... and if you choose otherwise, that's your choice.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:24 am  

BogBrushHead wrote:

Don't act daft - Obviously it's no disgrace if a team doesn't win every game ... but it's ridiculous that teams go into league games with no intention of trying to win them.... and that is what is happening.

To accommodate an 'end of season finale' consisting of 9 games, two of which the loser gets a second chance at, the RFL/Sky/ Cameron (as he seems to get the blame for everything even if he wasn't PM when it started) have made a nonsense of probably 50+ league games, for many of which the tickets have been pre-sold by way of season tickets. I pay to watch a competitive game of rugby, not 13 a side WWF!

So instead of giving the club all the money upfront, I'll keep it in my pocket and, when I feel like giving a toss, I'll put effort into paying to watch! I'm not happy with whats happening, and that's my choice .... and if you choose otherwise, that's your choice.

I believe I only saw one game that a team went into without a complete intention to win - Warrington away to London the week before the CC final. Changes to the process to decide the season champions wouldn't have affected what they did in that game.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:43 am  

BogBrushHead wrote:

Don't act daft - Obviously it's no disgrace if a team doesn't win every game ... but it's ridiculous that teams go into league games with no intention of trying to win them.... and that is what is happening.

To accommodate an 'end of season finale' consisting of 9 games, two of which the loser gets a second chance at, the RFL/Sky/ Cameron (as he seems to get the blame for everything even if he wasn't PM when it started) have made a nonsense of probably 50+ league games, for many of which the tickets have been pre-sold by way of season tickets. I pay to watch a competitive game of rugby, not 13 a side WWF!

So instead of giving the club all the money upfront, I'll keep it in my pocket and, when I feel like giving a toss, I'll put effort into paying to watch! I'm not happy with whats happening, and that's my choice .... and if you choose otherwise, that's your choice.

You are missing something here.
If you buy a season ticket at somewhere around £200 and go to every game you would save about £60 a season, but as fans, we are now treated to a play off and Grand final.
This system does allow the shrewd coaches the opportunity to rest key players or, not force someone to play with an injury and it still gives us a "champion" team.
Ok, it's not what many of us grew up with and Leeds winning from 5th does make folk ask questions but, in fairness, they beat all of the top teams (apart from Saints) along the way.
So they were certainly the best team when it mattered and believe me, I am a long, long way from being a Rhino's fan.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:15 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

You are missing something here.
If you buy a season ticket at somewhere around £200 and go to every game you would save about £60 a season, but as fans, we are now treated to a play off and Grand final.
This system does allow the shrewd coaches the opportunity to rest key players or, not force someone to play with an injury and it still gives us a "champion" team.
Ok, it's not what many of us grew up with and Leeds winning from 5th does make folk ask questions but, in fairness, they beat all of the top teams (apart from Saints) along the way.
So they were certainly the best team when it mattered and believe me, I am a long, long way from being a Rhino's fan.

Leeds also, unlike Wire and Wigan, did not particularly take to resting players during the course of the season. They might have liked to mind you - but couldn't afford to.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:25 am  

It all depends on the future.

If, over the next 5 or 6 years normal service is resumed and the champions are from the top 2 again, this whole thing about the playoffs and regular seasons will die down, and in 10 or 15 years the current leeds team will be immortalised for winning back to back titles from 5th.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:46 am  

They ought to just increase the financial reward for the League toppers. Make it worth winning as a stand alone thing and completely seperate from the play off income.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:06 pm  

BogBrushHead wrote:

Don't act daft - Obviously it's no disgrace if a team doesn't win every game ... but it's ridiculous that teams go into league games with no intention of trying to win them.... and that is what is happening.

To accommodate an 'end of season finale' consisting of 9 games, two of which the loser gets a second chance at, the RFL/Sky/ Cameron (as he seems to get the blame for everything even if he wasn't PM when it started) have made a nonsense of probably 50+ league games, for many of which the tickets have been pre-sold by way of season tickets. I pay to watch a competitive game of rugby, not 13 a side WWF!

So instead of giving the club all the money upfront, I'll keep it in my pocket and, when I feel like giving a toss, I'll put effort into paying to watch! I'm not happy with whats happening, and that's my choice .... and if you choose otherwise, that's your choice.

Ok which games did a team go into with no intention of winning?
Which 50+ league games were rendered meaningless by having a playoff system?
Why hasn't a playoff system rendered the NRL regular season meaningless?
I'm struggling to work out what your problem is. Is it with the current playoff system? Or any kind of playoff system? Because if it's just this playoff system then that nullifies your main argument about a team winning from lower in the league.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:13 pm  

Richie wrote:

I believe I only saw one game that a team went into without a complete intention to win - Warrington away to London the week before the CC final. Changes to the process to decide the season champions wouldn't have affected what they did in that game.

It's a very tricky thing to judge. Take the Wigan - Catalans playoff game. I'm sure Catalans 'intended' to win, but realistically, it must have been in their minds that their more likely shot was going to come a week later at home. We'll never know for sure if it affected their performance, but I think sports should generally aim to structure things to maximize the relevance of every game.

How you achieve that is massively dependent on the actual sport, the depth of teams, international opportunities, etc. The Premier League for example, whether by design or luck, has got a competition that (despite the big gap between the top clubs and bottom clubs) works well in terms of keeping the interest level high, due to the relegation, Champions League, and Europa league (to a lesser extent) spots. It's usually quite near the end of the season before any clubs (and then only a very small number) have literally nothing to play for.

Oh for a 'champions league'...problem solved!

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:33 pm  

Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo wrote:

They ought to just increase the financial reward for the League toppers. Make it worth winning as a stand alone thing and completely seperate from the play off income.

That's a good point. In the Premiership you get more money for finishing higher up the table. I don't believe that's the case for Super League. That said, do we have enough money to spread around to incentivise this? It's okay saying pay them more but if we end up taking £100k off the prize money for winning the GF then that's robbing Peter to pay Paul and not going to help us.

Re: What does Leeds' victory mean for the regular season? : Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:30 pm  

Some people are missing the point here. There is no doubt Leeds are the champions, nobody is saying they shouldn't. People are questioning whether going to regular season games are worth it. Leeds may have tried their best all season, but I bet they didn't have 'that edge' that top sportmen need to win some games cos no matter how many games they lost, be it 0 or 12 in the regular season, they still will only be four games from winning the championship come September.
The games between 'the big 4' this year in the regular season didn't produce one good game. It could be because it doesn't matter if th y win or lose 'as only the playoffs matter'

e.g if Wigan play Leeds 4 games into the season, then both teams should be busting a gut to win, because if they do not, that could be the 2 points that costs them the league come the end of the season. But, at the moment, it doesn't really matter if they win or not 'as long as they win in the playoffs'

get it????