: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:19 pm  

I hope we can develop into a club that are self sustainable.

I think it could be a way off but not unachievable.

: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:22 pm  

Some very rough guestimates about incomes:

RFL grant = 1.1million (although nobody has been able to refernece that sa a fact)
Gates= 1.5million+ (avergae 7,000)
Sponsorship, merchandise etc 400k+

means most clubs should be at the 3million+ income level

Salaries for players, coaches etc is probably somewhere around 2million so not sure why clubs don't make profits.

: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:30 pm  

Don't forget JB how much it actually costs to run and service a stadium come match days and in the off season! Add to that any debts or the money being plugged into grass roots/development. I also reckon the higher spending salary cap clubs are hitting the 2.3/2.5 million mark for all wages concerned in running the business side of things along with the playing/coaching staff. But yerr any club averaging over 7000ish should be breaking even I reckon.

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:01 am  

RL clubs arent supposed to make a profits. in the NRL only 1 or 2 do make profits, the rest rely on income from other sources (leagues club, sugar daddy, news ltd) to cover the shortfall each clubs has

to operate an NRL club you need around $15 million, the top clubs spend $20 million, whilst the amount of money from TV is only around $3.5 million

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:09 am  

dally messenger wrote:

RL clubs arent supposed to make a profits.

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:11 am  

roughyedspud wrote:

:lol:

im sure oldham make a profit

after all its not like they have to pay for hot water at the stadium given its lacking in the whole suburb

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:45 am  

why would i care if the stadium has hot water or not??? it's not our stadium



and i can tell you now we don't make a profit either

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:05 am  

dally messenger wrote:

RL clubs arent supposed to make a profits. in the NRL only 1 or 2 do make profits, the rest rely on income from other sources (leagues club, sugar daddy, news ltd) to cover the shortfall each clubs has

to operate an NRL club you need around $15 million, the top clubs spend $20 million, whilst the amount of money from TV is only around $3.5 million

It's a bit different in Australia though Dally, especially in the running costs.
In the UK clubs are run as a business that hopefully will be self sustaining.
There are some clubs with sugar daddies and without them the club would struggle but there's certainly a few clubs self sustaining/profit making, thinking, Leeds, Wigan, Hull, Warrington, Hull KR, Catalans. I bet Huddersfield arent FAR off either this year.

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:22 am  

Starbug wrote:

Do the Quins have a full time CEO and marketing man yet ? , maybe they shouldn't get the 1.2 million until they have

We have a ft commercial manager and a ft media manager and other staff looking after the sales and marketing side. The ft CEO role is currently vacant, but we have a pretty strong board looking after things.

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:06 am  

Dico wrote:

It's a bit different in Australia though Dally, especially in the running costs.
In the UK clubs are run as a business that hopefully will be self sustaining.
There are some clubs with sugar daddies and without them the club would struggle but there's certainly a few clubs self sustaining/profit making, thinking, Leeds, Wigan, Hull, Warrington, Hull KR, Catalans. I bet Huddersfield arent FAR off either this year.

think its fairly similar.

in SL, if you want to spend the full salary cap then in general you need an outside backer as crowds, sponsorship and TV arent enough (maybe wigan are self sustaining, and probably leeds as well?)

which is what it is in the nrl except for the broncos.

with the current salary cap the broncos can spend the full amount and still make a profit of $2 - 3 million pa.