Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:03 pm  

"This side without the Burgii, Graham and Hodgeson is not doing better. "

Burgenses

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:04 pm  

Were do we do from here?

I think only the wingers, Lomax and Williams from the backs came out with any credit, some of the big name players in the pack like Hodgson and Sam Burgess disappointed.

Think the pack is ok, plenty of depth, need better centres or at least the current ones to improve as not much else out there and find a partner for Williams

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:05 pm  

Dally wrote:

Thanks for clarifying - I just assumed it was the same player. As you say, still ridiculous though,

Easy mistake to make when you're sat half a mile away in that awful stadium.
I had the advantage of seeing it in close up on TV

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:07 pm  

Clearwing wrote:

We won't beat them by playing the game their way, that's for sure.

Reduce the level of over-protection the modern player enjoys - and reduce the number of subs

Play the f****rs at Millwall, Workington, wherever - just remove them from their comfort zone and make sure the pitch is narrow and the in-goal short

Play them in January

Put the refs and touchies in front of a hostile crowd

Wane as coach

I'd pay to see that and probably enjoy it even if we lost. The current fare is simply rubbish.

Not sure I agree with all of that but certainly do with the sentiment. What winds me up is for the last few years when we slip, say, 8 points behind and the game is starting to slip away but we are still just in it we play the same way rather than mixing it up and causing a fight. On the rare occasions we have had Oz on the back foot they have always done that to break the momentum. We play like idiots and unsurpringly end up with the same result each time. Sad thing is we're falling back not progressing.

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:07 pm  

Dally wrote:

Thanks for clarifying - I just assumed it was the same player. As you say, still ridiculous though,

With the 2nd one with Hodgson I think at least he was taking into account their was only about 50 secs left of the half so was trying to deliberately go for extra yardage on his kick because they would only have 2/3 tackles before the hooter. The first one from Widdop was just dreadfully unnecessary.

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:10 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

With the 2nd one with Hodgson I think at least he was taking into account their was only about 50 secs left of the half so was trying to deliberately go for extra yardage on his kick because they would only have 2/3 tackles before the hooter. The first one from Widdop was just dreadfully unnecessary.

All the more reason to play safe. Take the ball in 5 times and put a good kick in.

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:18 pm  

Back from a thoroughly depressing game.

We created chances and spilled the ball 4 times when almost over the line or down the wing during breaks.

Missed touch with two pen kicks- awful.

Missed tackles we should have made in the centre channels.

We did lots right but made far too many mistakes yet again.

The reasons WB was brought in: smarter plays, better game management, better discipline. We appear to have gone backwards.

The big thing I was disappointed with from the start was line speed and aggression. Far too slow closing down them in defence, almost zero speed when taking the ball up in attack. The absolute basics we should be doing to use our strength in the forwards.

All this great work in training- none of it visible.

I really think Shaun Wane would have had them ripping in to the aussies in defence and attack.

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:20 pm  

I see for the 20th year in a row our pack was just as good as theirs

The truth is, Australia's 4th choice pack would be as good as ours

Regards

King James

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:23 pm  

Lebron James wrote:

I see for the 20th year in a row our pack was just as good as theirs

The truth is, Australia's 4th choice pack would be as good as ours

Regards

King James

Yes. Totally agree. The pattern us we have a couple of big guys who do some good work early on. The supposedly inferior Aussie forward just keep coming in relentlessly for 80 minutes and by about 60 minutes are in total and utter control.

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:34 pm  

Then after the players have a good old laugh with there Aussie mates,,
Simply not good enough,,crying like school girls instead of getting in to them in first half,,,Watkins looked like he was apologising to the Aussie kicker he took out late after he had a go at him.
Then when the game is up we want to play tough guys.