Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:18 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

Then you're too easily offended!

If that's the context in which he said that, which is not the way it's been widely reported all over the world, then as always I'm happy to be corrected. It's still a very stupid and ridiculous thing to say unless you agree that abortions under any circumstance, homosexuals and pedophiles are the same.

Even if we excuse his ridiculous, insulting and outlandish rant about the above three subjects that still leaves his silly misogynistic quote about women.

You defend him if you like but I'm pretty insulted by what he said!

Zucchini is 100% right re what TF was actually saying about the 3 subjects and the worlds ending

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:42 pm  

Clearwing wrote:

But not a heart like a pea

true, and in Sinfield's case, humble too

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:29 pm  

hull smallears wrote:

Zucchini is 100% right re what TF was actually saying about the 3 subjects and the worlds ending

So you think it's OK for Tyson Fury to equate Peodophilia and peodophiles with homosexuality and homosexuals. It's alright right is it, for Fury to compare people who choose or feel forced to have abortions with peodophiles and groomers. While we're condoning his views on the place women should have ie. On their backs or in a kitchen making tea.
Finally it's acceptable to physically threaten someone with a broken jaw and to have some thug jump on his head till he loses consciousness, incidentally this is something that happened to a friend of mine who now needs full time assistance for the rest of his life.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:47 am  

The Avenger wrote:

So you think it's OK for Tyson Fury to equate Peodophilia and peodophiles with homosexuality and homosexuals. It's alright right is it, for Fury to compare people who choose or feel forced to have abortions with peodophiles and groomers. While we're condoning his views on the place women should have ie. On their backs or in a kitchen making tea.
Finally it's acceptable to physically threaten someone with a broken jaw and to have some thug jump on his head till he loses consciousness, incidentally this is something that happened to a friend of mine who now needs full time assistance for the rest of his life.

No, I don't like Tyson Fury. I said Zucchini was correct in what he said about what Tyson fury said and meant, rather than some of the made up stuff that seems to be reported.
I'll repeat this - I don't like Tyson Fury and his views. His views however are based on Religion and his Culture, He therefore has every right to say what he wants, and take the consequences that arise from them.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:14 am  

hull smallears wrote:

No, I don't like Tyson Fury. I said Zucchini was correct in what he said about what Tyson fury said and meant, rather than some of the made up stuff that seems to be reported.
I'll repeat this - I don't like Tyson Fury and his views. His views however are based on Religion and his Culture, He therefore has every right to say what he wants, and take the consequences that arise from them.

His views are based on religious beliefs so he can say whatever he wants?! Yeah alright then, world's f@@k ed if that's the case. "I don't believe black people should have equal rights" is that OK???

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:02 am  

The Avenger wrote:

hull smallears wrote:

Zucchini is 100% right re what TF was actually saying about the 3 subjects and the worlds ending

So you think it's OK for Tyson Fury to equate Peodophilia and peodophiles with homosexuality and homosexuals. It's alright right is it, for Fury to compare people who choose or feel forced to have abortions with peodophiles and groomers. While we're condoning his views on the place women should have ie. On their backs or in a kitchen making tea.
Finally it's acceptable to physically threaten someone with a broken jaw and to have some thug jump on his head till he loses consciousness, incidentally this is something that happened to a friend of mine who now needs full time assistance for the rest of his life.

Where and when did Fury equate paedophiles to homosexuals exactly?

Seth wrote:

hull smallears wrote:

No, I don't like Tyson Fury. I said Zucchini was correct in what he said about what Tyson fury said and meant, rather than some of the made up stuff that seems to be reported.
I'll repeat this - I don't like Tyson Fury and his views. His views however are based on Religion and his Culture, He therefore has every right to say what he wants, and take the consequences that arise from them.

His views are based on religious beliefs so he can say whatever he wants?! Yeah alright then, world's f@@k ed if that's the case. "I don't believe black people should have equal rights" is that OK???

What religion are you taking that from?

Honestly, people read/hear what they want to hear in order to take offence at every possible occasion.... Someone said earlier that they were 'insulted' by what he said... Get a life, he didn't say it 'to you' or 'about you', just another 'Outraged' bystander...... People need to get a life if a sportsman they've never met or known can say something and they be 'insulted'.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:21 am  

Superted wrote:

Get a life, he didn't say it 'to you' or 'about you', just another 'Outraged' bystander...... People need to get a life if a sportsman they've never met or known can say something and they be 'insulted'.

I would suggest the opposite is true; surely an indication of a civilised society is that we are able to recognise, and object to, offensive or discriminatory behaviour towards anyone, not just ourselves?

With regard to Tyson Fury - he is free of course to hold his bigoted and dim-witted views about anything at all; but the BBC should have withdrawn his nomination off the back of the comments he made.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:30 am  

bren2k wrote:

I would suggest the opposite is true; surely an indication of a civilised society is that we are able to recognise, and object to, offensive or discriminatory behaviour towards anyone, not just ourselves?

Well said. Also how does Superted know who would be affected by Fury's comments. I'd imagine there are a fair few gay rugby league fans, and even more who have close friends or relatives who are gay.
Yet again, Fury's supporters getting all wound up that people use the same free speech they bizarrely claim Fury is being denied.

bren2k wrote:

With regard to Tyson Fury - he is free of course to hold his bigoted and dim-witted views about anything at all; but the BBC should have withdrawn his nomination off the back of the comments he made.

I don't particularly mind the BBC not withdrawing his nomination, it's a tricky decision for them. My main problem is with the 72,000 feckwits who voted for him.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:00 am  

I'm far from a Fury supporter - I wholeheartedly disagree with pretty much everything he says and does, and have a real dislike for the whole 'gypsy' culture and view on life.....

But I also find it ridiculous people are 'offended' by what he actually said - some numpty even went to the length of reporting him to the Police for what he said in the media.... Absolutely ridiculous... And what he said clearly wasn't homophobic otherwise there'd have been Police action:...

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:22 pm  

Fury is, and should be able to say whatever he wants. Just as, everyone has the right to disagree with what he says, but the idea of him being reported to the police, or being kicked off the awards show is absurd. It just makes a martyr of Fury, and creates a barrier between him, and the rest of society when we should be debating the issue, and trying to explain why Fury's views are so backward.

Also, as I've said before, people who beat people up for a living shouldn't be considered good role models for kids. If some parents are worried that someone like Tyson Fury is having an adverse affect on their child then the problem is with them, and not with Fury.