Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:34 pm  

Dally wrote:

Not sure I agree with all of that but certainly do with the sentiment. What winds me up is for the last few years when we slip, say, 8 points behind and the game is starting to slip away but we are still just in it we play the same way rather than mixing it up and causing a fight. On the rare occasions we have had Oz on the back foot they have always done that to break the momentum. We play like idiots and unsurpringly end up with the same result each time. Sad thing is we're falling back not progressing.

NZ have beaten Aus by playing off the cuff RL with a lot of offloading.
We actually seemed to have the edge on the Aussies out wide, Dugan can't defend at centre and GI kept overcompensating for holmes and leaving gaps.
At the same time our pack was well beaten.
Why we attacked the edges LESS in the second half is a complete joke.

Also we will never win any test match defending our line like we did in the last 30. I mean not numbering up on a scrum?! you would have a go at an under 12s team for that.

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:52 pm  

Just on the Wayne Bennett front - those who were expecting better tactics, set plays, game management etc, are barking up the wrong tree - that's not his strong point. His greatest strength is his man management - he's always surrounded himself with various assistants who cover the game plan/tactics, fitness, technique etc - he's the calming influence, the words of wisdom, the motivator to 'be the best you can'.

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:09 pm  

For motivation I'd have Wane any day of the week.

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:10 pm  

Fev 1979 wrote:

Then after the players have a good old laugh with there Aussie mates,,
Simply not good enough,,crying like school girls instead of getting in to them in first half,,,Watkins looked like he was apologising to the Aussie kicker he took out late after he had a go at him.
Then when the game is up we want to play tough guys.

I did cringe at that. Keith Senior would have dropped Cronk for giving him that much spray.

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:14 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

I get wanting to give the halves time together and needing to wok out who the best combo is, but the problem is that Widdop and Gale didn't work against NZ, Williams and Gale didn't work against Scotland, which one of the combos which didn't work do we stick with?

I think personally I'd have gone Williams and Gale and given them all three games. While I get the point your making I think you've got to bear in mind Bennett gets more than just games to asses the players on.

I think the fact he had Williams only on the bench suggested two things to me. He doesn't trust him or know him, so likely went for Bett's pick in Brown, and after 4 weeks of camp and games he was no closer to working out his best pairing.

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:15 pm  

I do however agree with Bennetts comment that we are good enough to win but we don't put it together.

There was no one player in the aussie team that were head and shoulders above ours.

They play consistent, they play pretty much error free, they take their chances.

We made as many chances, we didn't take them. Some individuals made more mistakes.

Take cam smith or Thurston and put him in our team, we wpuld still lose as collectively we make too many errors across the park.

Frustrating as hell.

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:22 pm  

Honestly felt like I was watching a re-run of any game between England and Aus in the last 10 years. So disappointing. And of course with this being Rugby League we have to wait a full year before we can have another crack.

Clearly the main thing we lack is direction from our halves. Can't believe I'm going to say this but I reckon Matty Smith would have offered more. Was he unlucky not to get a call up after a successful international campaign last year?

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:03 pm  

Loyal Leeds Fan wrote:

Honestly felt like I was watching a re-run of any game between England and Aus in the last 10 years. So disappointing. And of course with this being Rugby League we have to wait a full year before we can have another crack.

Clearly the main thing we lack is direction from our halves. Can't believe I'm going to say this but I reckon Matty Smith would have offered more. Was he unlucky not to get a call up after a successful international campaign last year?

Agree Smith would offer a whole lot more than Widdop. Widdop is just poor. Never seen anything in him to suggest he should play international rugby league.

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:35 pm  

The biggest disappointment for me was the pack. The backline actually did pretty well, and the halves were garbage but we already knew that (Kevin Brown ffs, he wouldn't get a gig at any top 4 team). However we thought we would have the upper hand (or at least a level one) in the forwards, and actually we got bullied. Hill and Graham did what they always do, and Bateman at least had a dig, but the rest were terrible. Sam Burgess is a husk of the player that went to Union, and his brothers might look the part, but there at at least half a dozen props not picked that should be in the side before them. Whitehead I think is good enough but wasn't at the races today, and Cooper is a perfectly decent player, but as with the Burgesses you have to wonder if he would have ever played for England if he hadn't gone to the NRL.

As for the rest of the team, Lomax did some pretty good things, McGillvray was the best winger on the pitch by a mile and then some, Hall is dependable but seems to have lost his pace, I would prefer Briscoe there tbh. Brown isn't and never has been good enough at this level (I don't want to sound too harsh on the guy, he's a great pro and has had a good career, but he really isn't), Widdop is not much better.

The halfback situation is the biggest worry ahead of the world cup. As bad as the pack were we do have plenty of option there, but it's hard to see how we can improve the halves. In hindsight I would have liked to see Williams alongside either Smith or Sneyd. Both have limitations but at least there offer a kicking game and a little bit of direction. Hopefully someone emerges next season. I've got high hopes for Declan Patton from what I've seen, but he does have some way to go. Or maybe look at moving Lomax to 6 with Shaul getting a chance at full back.

Re: Team to face Australia : Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:41 pm  

Dally wrote:

Loyal Leeds Fan wrote:

Honestly felt like I was watching a re-run of any game between England and Aus in the last 10 years. So disappointing. And of course with this being Rugby League we have to wait a full year before we can have another crack.

Clearly the main thing we lack is direction from our halves. Can't believe I'm going to say this but I reckon Matty Smith would have offered more. Was he unlucky not to get a call up after a successful international campaign last year?

Agree Smith would offer a whole lot more than Widdop. Widdop is just poor. Never seen anything in him to suggest he should play international rugby league.

Been saying the same about Widdop for years, and been ridiculed often for it. People think because he's playing in the NRL, he must be great, he's far from it. He's a manufactured half. Yes he's used to playing against NRL defences, he's also used to losing against them and creating bugger all in terms of chances for his team - he's very much brought his NRL form from the last 2 years with him. GARBAGE!

He a typical Melbourne 'support act'. Knows how to play to a strict game plan (Thus allowing Cronk, Smith and Slater to do their thing), and will never divert from it, playing his simple role in the Melbourne team, he looked effective. But it was clear he was never going to be a top class playmaker in his own right. So many clubs have been burnt spending a fortune on players who look great in the Melbourne system, but who are gash once they leave it. Kevin Proctor is another who's just signed for big money with the Titans - watch him go there and be a steady Eddie like nearly all the others that leave Melbourne.