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: Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:11 pm  
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really? its not like we are dealing with huge numbers here is it?

the attendances are fairly small to start with, its not like there are going to be thousands leaving is it,

clubs can market themselves as a local team, with local yong stars, the guys who will be playing for GB in 2 or 3 years time, it would raise the standard of the league, with also the possibility of getting the BIG names in for a week or two,

they would have lower rwage costs, more money coming in from SL clubs, probably a few hundred fans from the SL club coming to watch the youngsters.

It would likely make it more difficult to make the jump from the lower leagues to SL, but thats no bad thing, it should be difficult to get into SL, its only for the best


But as it has been suggested previously, there are only about 4 or 5 true Super League quality clubs, the rest just so happen to be playing in Super League at the moment. You shove Celtic, Quins, Wakey, Salford, Huddersfield, Cas or even Hull KR in the 2nd tier for an extended period of time and their attendances and youth development will be poor.

Becoming a feeder club would feel a bit like you have given up trying to get in to SL. Given that there are so many poor/average SL clubs, why should ambitious Championship clubs give up their dream? I'm not saying it should be easy to get into SL, but the threat of Championship clubs would keep the SL clubs on their toes.

2009 is just a snapshot of how things are now - if anything below SL is just effectively cut-off, who knows what damage that will do in the future. Imagine if the licence system was brought in just a few years ago, Hull KR probably wouldn't even be in SL, never mind near the top. You have to have the opportunity to progress or the competition and the clubs will stagnate.
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: Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:33 pm  
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or maybe, 'come see your local team bring through the stars of the future'


Well I suppose you've got a point. We regularly see massive crowds at Academy games.
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: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:39 pm  
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on a seperate note, how are leigh doing? bringing in LOADS of fans are they? making LOTS of money? have HUGE recognition do they? got some international quality youngsters playing for them at the moment?

FFS, money isn't everything. You know what, I bloody loved being at our game yesterday - seeing 17 blokes bust a bloody gut to represent my town with pride. 1,500 fans going mental when Watson scored. Beer going everywhere, hugging random people - thought the roof was going to come off the place. You can't put a price on that. But becoming a feeder club would destroy those emotions. Do you think I or the other 1,501 people at the game last night would be even a fraction interested if we simply became Leigh Saints/Warriors/Wolves/City Reds? Not a chance.

I don't know why you support the club that you do, but you want a dose of reality and realise why people support the clubs that they do.
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: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:57 pm  
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FFS, money isn't everything. You know what, I bloody loved being at our game yesterday - seeing 17 blokes bust a bloody gut to represent my town with pride. 1,500 fans going mental when Watson scored. Beer going everywhere, hugging random people - thought the roof was going to come off the place. You can't put a price on that. But becoming a feeder club would destroy those emotions. Do you think I or the other 1,501 people at the game last night would be even a fraction interested if we simply became Leigh Saints/Warriors/Wolves/City Reds? Not a chance.

I don't know why you support the club that you do, but you want a dose of reality and realise why people support the clubs that they do.
Leeds fans dont do reality they are to far up their own ar**s for that :lol:
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: Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:11 pm  
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FFS, money isn't everything. You know what, I bloody loved being at our game yesterday - seeing 17 blokes bust a bloody gut to represent my town with pride. 1,500 fans going mental when Watson scored. Beer going everywhere, hugging random people - thought the roof was going to come off the place. You can't put a price on that. But becoming a feeder club would destroy those emotions. Do you think I or the other 1,501 people at the game last night would be even a fraction interested if we simply became Leigh Saints/Warriors/Wolves/City Reds? Not a chance.

I don't know why you support the club that you do, but you want a dose of reality and realise why people support the clubs that they do.


I know the feeling and it's why I'll never be a fan of non relegation and licencing promotion. I've been lucky in my 26 years to do countless cup finals with Wigan, most of them won, but their was no better feeling that the emotions experienced than that of our 2006 "great escape" season. I know the arguments suggest we cheated the salary cap but that's not us fans fault and at the time we didn't know. I remember the despair when Pat Richards knocked on to win in the last minute at Wakefield meaning we lost back to back to our main rivals. Being sat in the pub pre match before a late Sunday game v Catalans as Lee Briers missed a penalty goal that saw Wakefield win to leave us 8 points from survival. Sweating over a long 17 minutes at Leeds on a 20-14 lead for a result that was the pivitol one of the whole run.

I'll make all that relevant to the thread by saying our crowds never faltered in that early season run that saw us lose 14 of our first 16 league games. I'm proud of that! No glory hunting fans in Wigan unlike at some other clubs!
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: Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:17 pm  
It was more in reference to the 'feeder club' idea than P&R to be honest Bilko, though I certainly get your point.
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: Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:18 pm  
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It was more in reference to the 'feeder club' idea than P&R to be honest Bilko, though I certainly get your point.

Thats why i made it relevant at the end! :lol:

I could argue though that Wigan's academy system feeds loads of teams in the National Leagues though. :wink:
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: Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:28 pm  
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Thats why i made it relevant at the end! :lol:

I could argue though that Wigan's academy system feeds loads of teams in the National Leagues though. :wink:

You could, but it'd be a pretty shoddy argument :wink:
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: Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:01 pm  
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You could, but it'd be a pretty shoddy argument :wink:


Well I've looked into it sadly for the Wigan board and found 38 players out there! :oops:
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: Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:04 pm  
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Well I've looked into it sadly for the Wigan board and found 38 players out there! :oops:


So W1g4n are THE feeder club :wink:
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