Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:21 pm  

Saddened! wrote: I see Paul Wellens has been baited out by the media vultures into shutting down the 'cheating' claims made by Sky's Wigan fan Phil Clarke. https://www.totalrl.com/st-helens-boss-paul-wellens-reacts-to-phil-clarkes-explosive-cheating-comments/ Further evidence of the not-very-well-hidden campaign against Saints by the RFL. “When you talk about the ruck area with OPTA statistics, in 2021 we had the average slowest play the ball in the competition. “In 2022, we had the slowest play the ball in the competition and we currently sit joint last. I would ask Phil who is lying on who? With the devastating ball carriers we have, we haven’t come out on top in play the ball speed.” So the team who has won four trophies in a row has the slowest play the ball speed because the entire league is cheating, not just us. Yet Clarke is allowed to go on Sky and call Saints cheats. Yet Wilkin had to release a press statement and make a grovelling public apology on air because he admitted he didn't know who Wakefield's new coach was. It's probably also worth someone at the RFL checking if those play the ball speeds are quicker with 6 agains or slower than they were. Some startling statistics quoted by Wellens there. With the likes of Walmsley, Sironen, Mata'utia, Paasi and Lees demolishing packs all over the place, for Saints to have been allowed the slowest play the balls is frankly ridiculous and even the staunchest anti-Saints fans on here should be able to admit it's wrong. If the RFL would publish the 6 again and penalty stats, I bet we're somehow on the losing end of those too. To face this level of adverse treatment and still be four times champions is something special. Sky and Phil Clarke need to apologise on Thursday's coverage. His attempts to influence the referees ahead of the derby are a disgrace.

Saddened! wrote: I see Paul Wellens has been baited out by the media vultures into shutting down the 'cheating' claims made by Sky's Wigan fan Phil Clarke. https://www.totalrl.com/st-helens-boss-paul-wellens-reacts-to-phil-clarkes-explosive-cheating-comments/ Further evidence of the not-very-well-hidden campaign against Saints by the RFL. “When you talk about the ruck area with OPTA statistics, in 2021 we had the average slowest play the ball in the competition. “In 2022, we had the slowest play the ball in the competition and we currently sit joint last. I would ask Phil who is lying on who? With the devastating ball carriers we have, we haven’t come out on top in play the ball speed.” So the team who has won four trophies in a row has the slowest play the ball speed because the entire league is cheating, not just us. Yet Clarke is allowed to go on Sky and call Saints cheats. Yet Wilkin had to release a press statement and make a grovelling public apology on air because he admitted he didn't know who Wakefield's new coach was. It's probably also worth someone at the RFL checking if those play the ball speeds are quicker with 6 agains or slower than they were. Some startling statistics quoted by Wellens there. With the likes of Walmsley, Sironen, Mata'utia, Paasi and Lees demolishing packs all over the place, for Saints to have been allowed the slowest play the balls is frankly ridiculous and even the staunchest anti-Saints fans on here should be able to admit it's wrong. If the RFL would publish the 6 again and penalty stats, I bet we're somehow on the losing end of those too. To face this level of adverse treatment and still be four times champions is something special. Sky and Phil Clarke need to apologise on Thursday's coverage. His attempts to influence the referees ahead of the derby are a disgrace.

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:41 pm  

Wellens whinges more as a coach than he did as a player

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:10 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Wellens whinges more as a coach than he did as a player

So true !

He made me laugh when flapping his arms about like demented seagull screeching "but sir,but sir".
I could swear once he was flapping that much he levitated a couple of feet from the ground.

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:27 pm  

Typical "bell end" wigoon response here from EGG CHASING and JASON65 ignoring the actual independant OPTA stats and facts, surely a Wigoon with half a brain would know its SKY Muppet Phil Clarke who is the original whinging source.

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:10 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Typical "bell end" wigoon response here from EGG CHASING and JASON65 ignoring the actual independant OPTA stats and facts, surely a Wigoon with half a brain would know its SKY Muppet Phil Clarke who is the original whinging source.

Judder (stain) man chirps in with a comment,and insults the great Phil Clark whilst protecting the slug that is Wellens.

Stainman you are a "bell end " and a fuc*wit.

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:30 pm  

Jason65 wrote:

Judder (stain) man chirps in with a comment,and insults the great Phil Clark whilst protecting the slug that is Wellens.

Stainman you are a "bell end " and a fuc*wit.

Another typical goon response, all Wello has done is backed up the Clarke opinion with actual independent fact and figures, in other words he has put the ball back into Clarke’s court on a ‘Put Up or Shut Up” basis.

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:37 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Wellens whinges more as a coach than he did as a player

Do you have an opinion on the actual stats though? Do you think it's fair to call us cheats when we've been the team that has been held down the most for three years in a row?

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:41 pm  

Jason65 wrote:

Judder (stain) man chirps in with a comment,and insults the great Phil Clark whilst protecting the slug that is Wellens.

Stainman you are a "bell end " and a fuc*wit.

You okay bro? Most of the posts on this thread are semi-serious and you're steaming in two footed all over the place. If Mos Eisley still had mods, you'd have been thrown out by now.

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:57 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Typical "bell end" wigoon response here from EGG CHASING and JASON65 ignoring the actual independant OPTA stats and facts, surely a Wigoon with half a brain would know its SKY Muppet Phil Clarke who is the original whinging source.

Come on pal

"Everyone" knows Phil Clarke is full of s**t. The fact that he played for Wigooooon is irrelevant. In fact, most Wigooooon fans I know cant stand him and think he talks an equal amount of b******s for all teams. To use him as a stick to beat Wigooooon with is quite pathetic..........

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:22 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Do you have an opinion on the actual stats though? Do you think it's fair to call us cheats when we've been the team that has been held down the most for three years in a row?

Couldn't care less. It's a pathetic moan against a known bull****ter just like the others he's come out with this season about bans etc.

Just get on with it and do his talking in the dressing room.