: Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:21 pm  

I'd have thought in SL that if you averaged over 7000ish then you could be pretty much at the cap without an overly wealthy backer with too much input. The amounts needed are nowhere near that of the NRL clubs.
Again, could be wrong.

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:35 pm  

Dico wrote:

I'd have thought in SL that if you averaged over 7000ish then you could be pretty much at the cap without an overly wealthy backer with too much input. The amounts needed are nowhere near that of the NRL clubs.
Again, could be wrong.

Cas averaged 7500 last year, and spent about 1.1 million.

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:39 pm  

hmm but the extra 300k would take you to 1.4 mill.
It might need to be 8500 then but either way you could run a decent club on that without the need for a director putting a fortune in.
Plus I bet Cas spend a lot on ground maintenence like Saints do.
Can't remember what they were but saints announced their figures a few months ago and i remember being quite astonished at what it costs them to keep KR in a health certificate.

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:43 pm  

Dico wrote:

hmm but the extra 300k would take you to 1.4 mill.
It might need to be 8500 then but either way you could run a decent club on that without the need for a director putting a fortune in.
Plus I bet Cas spend a lot on ground maintenence like Saints do.
Can't remember what they were but saints announced their figures a few months ago and i remember being quite astonished at what it costs them to keep KR in a health certificate.

I believe cas will be spending 1.35 million this year with an aim of spending full cap next year though the economy may alter those plans somewhat.

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:38 pm  

This info is for the year ending Nov 2007, so is a little out of date, but should still prove interesting reading for people on this thread: http://www.warringtonwolves.org/news/Wolves38519.ink Basically, Warrington's Income for 2007 was £4.873m and Expenditure was £4.775m - so an operating profit of £98k.

This info is for the year ending Nov 2007, so is a little out of date, but should still prove interesting reading for people on this thread: http://www.warringtonwolves.org/news/Wolves38519.ink Basically, Warrington's Income for 2007 was £4.873m and Expenditure was £4.775m - so an operating profit of £98k.

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:49 pm  

SEB wrote: This info is for the year ending Nov 2007, so is a little out of date, but should still prove interesting reading for people on this thread: http://www.warringtonwolves.org/news/Wolves38519.ink Basically, Warrington's Income for 2007 was £4.873m and Expenditure was £4.775m - so an operating profit of £98k. interesting to see such a frank breakdown of income and costs, don't quite know what the 700k 'other' bit can be though? and surprised they aren't selling a bit more merchandise, as I know Hull broke the Million £ barrier for merchandise last year, and Warringtons crowds aren't that much smaller than ours.

SEB wrote: This info is for the year ending Nov 2007, so is a little out of date, but should still prove interesting reading for people on this thread: http://www.warringtonwolves.org/news/Wolves38519.ink Basically, Warrington's Income for 2007 was £4.873m and Expenditure was £4.775m - so an operating profit of £98k. interesting to see such a frank breakdown of income and costs, don't quite know what the 700k 'other' bit can be though? and surprised they aren't selling a bit more merchandise, as I know Hull broke the Million £ barrier for merchandise last year, and Warringtons crowds aren't that much smaller than ours.

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:02 pm  

Dico wrote:

I'd have thought in SL that if you averaged over 7000ish then you could be pretty much at the cap without an overly wealthy backer with too much input. The amounts needed are nowhere near that of the NRL clubs.
Again, could be wrong.

i guess a bit higher.

les cats got a bit higher than that and still needed outside money.

it does depend on sponsorship, rent at ground etc but id guess 8500 - 9000.

the NRL it seems to be 17,000 - 20,000

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:03 pm  

SEB wrote: This info is for the year ending Nov 2007, so is a little out of date, but should still prove interesting reading for people on this thread: http://www.warringtonwolves.org/news/Wolves38519.ink Basically, Warrington's Income for 2007 was £4.873m and Expenditure was £4.775m - so an operating profit of £98k. crowds at just under 10,000, full salary cap and no rent.

SEB wrote: This info is for the year ending Nov 2007, so is a little out of date, but should still prove interesting reading for people on this thread: http://www.warringtonwolves.org/news/Wolves38519.ink Basically, Warrington's Income for 2007 was £4.873m and Expenditure was £4.775m - so an operating profit of £98k. crowds at just under 10,000, full salary cap and no rent.

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:42 pm  

one of the problems is that there is vat (15%) on all income but the highest expenses, wages, is not subject to vat to be offset against the income vat
mostclubs have a net vat bill of 300k plus per year

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:29 pm  

Kelvin's Ferret wrote:

We have a ft commercial manager and a ft media manager and other staff looking after the sales and marketing side. The ft CEO role is currently vacant, but we have a pretty strong board looking after things.

It wasn't meant as a criticism Kelvin

Leigh also have a F/T commercial manager and other P/T sales and marketing staff , and that is as well as the LSV stadium having thier own commercial,Marketing and sales people

We have a P/T CEO who works for the Owners company

But the RFL have told them to access the funds available they need to employ yet another person whose remit will be to bring in ' new outside extra corporate ' money to the club , they also require this person to meet certain percentages over his stated salary or the money will be withdrawn

Now you are based in London and have a large business community to pitch to

We are in Leigh and well we dont really have wall to wall millionaires just queing up to spend a few hundred thousand on a hobby

The RFL seem to think we do have

Which tells me a lot about them and thier understanding of NL/Championship RL