Re: Now We Get an Aussie Ref : Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:08 pm  

Once again san misses the point of my post whilst trying to tell me what I mean.

Re: Now We Get an Aussie Ref : Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:30 pm  

deluded pom? wrote:

Once again san misses the point of my post whilst trying to tell me what I mean.

no,with the greatest of respect I get your point and in the ideal world a neutral ref would have been seen to have been the wisest choice - but whatever we say or think,the choice of ref has been made - it's beyond the fans control tho' the english team can help themselves by at least keeping their discipline
I feel the big problem would be to find a truly 'neutral' ref - as we have seen,the style and criteria of the southern officials are different to those of their northern counterparts so,who would be the perfect choice ? We have seen quite blatantly the difference in refereeing in the NRL & SL so who do we chose as THE neutral officials ?

Re: Now We Get an Aussie Ref : Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:12 pm  

I personally would have a NH neutral ref when the 4N in in the SH and vice versa.

Re: Now We Get an Aussie Ref : Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:31 pm  

it's impossible to have a 'neutral' ref by definition if the NH & SH criteria are different - that's my whole point - that is to say,there is no such thing as a neutral ref when a NH team meets a SH team ! IT's a contradiction in terms.

Re: Now We Get an Aussie Ref : Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:04 pm  

What a disgraceful display of officiating. Our own errors probably nailed us in the end but the decisions from ref/video ref certainly didn't help matters whatsoever.

Re: Now We Get an Aussie Ref : Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:01 pm  

Absolute daylight robbery !! Disgraceful and brings the game to the level of a joke.
No we probably wouldn't have won but jeez, a one eyed man with glasses could have seen that knock on....these decisions change the game and the momentum.
Am left with the feeling that had we actually started to get close then the backup 14th and 15th man for Aus would have been there to see we didn't.
Brings the whole International scene into disrepute, absolutely shocking to be allowed to get away with this sort of cheating....thats what it was end of.

Re: Now We Get an Aussie Ref : Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:08 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

it's impossible to have a 'neutral' ref by definition if the NH & SH criteria are different - that's my whole point - that is to say,there is no such thing as a neutral ref when a NH team meets a SH team ! IT's a contradiction in terms.

OK then as neutral as we can possibly get at least from a nationality point of view. Archer may well have called things as he saw them but the fact remains that we had a game involving Australia played in Australia reffed by an Australian and had an Australian as the VR. A game where plenty of 50/50 calls went the way of Australia. Some weren't even 50/50. Calls that had nothing to do with which comp the man refs in. Calls that were just plain wrong and there were too many of them. It was either incompetence on the part of Archer and Clark or it was bias. You decide which it was.

Re: Now We Get an Aussie Ref : Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:37 pm  

We plainly need to go back to the neutral refs policy of the 1980s/early 1990s.

Simple as that.

I can cop poor decisions but not this joke of a policy.

Re: Now We Get an Aussie Ref : Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:38 pm  

deluded pom? wrote:

OK then as neutral as we can possibly get at least from a nationality point of view. Archer may well have called things as he saw them but the fact remains that we had a game involving Australia played in Australia reffed by an Australian and had an Australian as the VR. A game where plenty of 50/50 calls went the way of Australia. Some weren't even 50/50. Calls that had nothing to do with which comp the man refs in. Calls that were just plain wrong and there were too many of them. It was either incompetence on the part of Archer and Clark or it was bias. You decide which it was.

it was incompetance & bias imo - who makes the decisions on who will officiate games ? would McBanana have had any say in the matter beforehand ?
It wasn't even a question of 'interpretation' of rules by NH or SH refs - to me it was gross incompetance & dare I say,cheating...everything was set up for a Aus v NZ final
I honestly felt the game would have been refereed fairly but I was wrong - we were conned and were never going to win that game even making allowances for the english errors etc
I'm proud of the england team & coaching staff - they didn't let us down and deserved better

Re: Now We Get an Aussie Ref : Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:45 pm  

so next year, will the Australians agree to the same rules on this of the world?
so we will have English refs all seven games!!!!!!!
or we the English fans will not pay to watch the cheats from down under.